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        01-29-2014, 11:02 PM
      #11
    Green Broke
    My mare is navicular in all 4. We did corrective shoeing for almost 6 years, fixing the angles and having wedges and pads on. It worked for her if she was getting steady daily excersize, but the thrush she would get was HORRID. And if she was off for long periods of time it got worse with shoes.

    She's been barefoot for 4 years now (lots of discussions, and help with vet AND farriers) and is completely sound.

    I would get the vet and farrier out to discuss oprions/see what would best benefit her.
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        01-30-2014, 11:18 AM
      #12
    Yearling
    Has anyone kept up on modern thinking about treating navicular? It is now believed that wedging is not doing any favors to the horse except putting extra pressure on the horse's heels. The most recent is that they need to get shod and rocker the toe of the shoe. One of the newer methods is called a "Banana shoe" which the whole shoe rocks abit to let the horse stand at the most comfortable angle. There is another shoe or two that helps that is not at lift up padded shoe.
         
        01-30-2014, 08:26 PM
      #13
    Yearling
    The stance shown is not typical of navicular (as already noted). It would be more indicative of laminitis (weight off the toes and on the heels....just the opposite of navicular).
    As loosie said. More information is needed.
         
        01-30-2014, 11:13 PM
      #14
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by princessfluffybritches    
    Has anyone kept up on modern thinking about treating navicular? It is now believed that wedging is not doing any favors to the horse except putting extra pressure on the horse's heels.
    Not up with current shoeing practices for it, but yes to 'modern thinking' otherwise. 'Wedging' feet onto their toes puts more pressure on the *toes* rather than heels so much, which is the point - to relieve them. Agree that it is not helpful, except in a palliative way, but *depending how it's done*, more 'pressure' on the heels is a good thing.
         
        01-31-2014, 09:31 AM
      #15
    Yearling
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    The stance shown is not typical of navicular (as already noted).
    Actually that stance IS typical of severe navicular disease. Horses with navicular bone lesions on the flexor surface of the bone will typically stand that way to relieve the tension in the deep flexor tendon where it wraps around the bone, over the lesions . Gene Ovnicek and once drove into a barn were we were to see a horse we had never sen before that had been diagnosed with severe navicular diseas. We didn't know what kind of horse, what color it was or anything. In a row of about 20 paddocks, there was one horse standing just like that. I said "I bet that is our case" it was. Ypu can spot the, from a mile away every time.

    Those are the ones who benefit greatly from a proper shoeing package, with wedges and enhanced breakover all around the foot . Amd wedges do NOT cause secondary issues IF the foot is correctly trimmed first to take off all under run heel. IF there is medicated packing under the pad to prevent thrush and , IF nd the toe / breakover is also treated correctly. In cases where wedge shoes or wedge pads caused other issues, I can guarantee one of those criteria was not met.
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        01-31-2014, 03:40 PM
      #16
    Yearling
    Thought you'd like to see these

    Before and After pictures of lame horses
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        01-31-2014, 05:59 PM
      #17
    Yearling
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    Thought you'd like to see these
    And the point of those pics is what?
         
        01-31-2014, 07:19 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Oh yes, forgot to comment on the 'stance' comment. While 'navicular' horses typically have weak & frequently high heels & stand with their fores 'camped under'(Altho too low heel/ground parallel or neg. P3 is also common), it's toe first landings & long toe causing stress at breakover that appears to do the most damage - to the extensor process region(low ringbone), not just the back of the foot & puts more pressure on the DDFT & nav joint. So the rocking back stance doesn't only mean sore toes. Relieves the EP region as well as DDFT too.

    I disagree with your comments Patty, about the wedging of heels having no 'side effects'. I do agree that *much* of the issue is about *correct* application & I know that it can indeed make the horse feel better, in the short term at least. But the simple mechanics of rotating P3 & putting the horse even more on his toes is generally unhelpful in the long run - unless perhaps there is no 'long run' & the condition is too far past hope of rehab, so palliative measures are best.

    **Oh just thought of a think... I'm thinking of traditional type wedging, being raising the entire back of the foot, walls & all, but if we're talking about wedging under the frog only, then I don't disagree with it necessarily.
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        01-31-2014, 07:37 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by ecasey    
    Thought you'd like to see these

    Before and After pictures of lame horses
    Those were incredibly informative, ecasey - it's always amazing how many hoof problems there are that can be remedied with good farrier/vet care! Thanks for posting :)
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        01-31-2014, 08:21 PM
      #20
    Trained
    Hey roperchick, why has your horse got a bumper bar on his nose??
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