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    12-18-2012, 09:02 PM
  #1
Yearling
Need to cut out an abscess help??

So my I'm pretty sure my filly has an abscess I posted a link about this not too long ago. It just so happens as fate would have it my farrier is out of state until after christmas and suggests that I cut it out myself. I'm not worried about my ability to do this, but, you can never be too careful and because there is such a wealth of knowledge available here especially in hoof care, I was wondering if any of you could direct me to some credible or helpful information on this?

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    12-18-2012, 09:07 PM
  #2
Green Broke
I would have to advise against cutting it. It can be risky to do so and can really easily lead to a worse infection, not to mention make her even more sore if you don't manage to reach it. Some abscesses can be deep. It will pop when it is ready, and if it doesn't within a reasonable amount of time, it is better to wait for your farrier, or have a vet do it.

Personally, I would worry about a farrier telling an owner to cut an abscess out themselves.
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    12-18-2012, 09:12 PM
  #3
Trained
We had that discussion just recently here.
I noticed that abscesses who pop by themselves heal faster and without complications than the ones opened, especially the one's opened by vets.
I would make a nice shoe with either a sheet of cotton or a diaper, vetrap and duct tape, soak it with either Epsom salt or a weak Betadine solution, pouring more in, tepid, every day, and wait for it to open. Important is that filly is up to date on tetanus shot. Once it open, re-shoe, but dry, for about three days to protect it from dirt entering.
From what you described in your other thread, it will most likely come out at the heel, so no damage or weakening of the sole.
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    12-18-2012, 09:25 PM
  #4
Yearling
I trust my farrier so please don't farrier bash mine. She's a very honest and knowledgeable woman and knows that I'm capable enough to do something like this... pretty much anyone who's been around horses long enough is. That being said after speaking with her she said that it would help relieve the pressure to drain it and speed healing which is why she suggested this in the first place. However, she did say that this is under the stipulation that the abscess in question is near the surface.

I didn't see any indication of it erupting from the heel but, I will keep an eye out for it.

She's up to date on everything. Her last tetnus was last month.

I planned on making a shoe. I'm going to go soak and poultice her foot tomorrow and pack it with some mag paste and continue that for a week or two.
     
    12-18-2012, 09:45 PM
  #5
Trained
Most likely will not take that long. If she is really lame, it takes about three days, sometimes less.
Sometimes you can feel where it will pop, when you palpate the bulbs of the heels right above hairline.
I'd leave her out unless the weather is really nasty and she can't make it into shelter.
It works it's way up, always where is least resistance, which is usually the heel or a bit off to the side.
     
    12-19-2012, 03:14 AM
  #6
Trained
Firstly, not meaning to sound terse, but some things you've said in this thread are ringing huge alarm bells...

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Originally Posted by Ashleysmardigrasgirl    
I trust my farrier so please don't farrier bash mine.
I didn't get the feeling anyone was 'bashing' anyone, but I agree 1000% that I'd be quite concerned about farriers giving that sort of advice. Digging abscesses can sometimes be for the best, but even very knowledgeable, skilled professionals that do it frequently can run into problems, & in many situations it's more problematic than it's worth to gouge holes.

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She's a very honest and knowledgeable woman and knows that I'm capable enough to do something like this... pretty much anyone who's been around horses long enough is.
Beg to differ 1000%!!! Many farriers & vets show themselves to be incompetent about digging abscesses, let alone the average horse owner! So perhaps you are truly extremely knowledgeable, competent & confident to do this & your farrier knows this - so I'd have to ask why are you here asking advice then? (Genuine question, not trying to be rude)

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That being said after speaking with her she said that it would help relieve the pressure to drain it and speed healing which is why she suggested this in the first place. However, she did say that this is under the stipulation that the abscess in question is near the surface.
That being said, yes, it can sometimes be beneficial to open them. I wouldn't bother if the horse has only been lame for a couple of days with it - they usually don't take long to resolve if you soak their foot or such & allow/give them free movement. I would not confine or bute a horse with an abscess. I would first want to be absolutely without a doubt certain about where exactly it is & how deep, that I had a clean, sterile environment to keep the horse & her foot in for at least a few days afterwards, time depending on where/how you cut.

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mag paste and continue that for a week or two.
Where exactly is it? Why do you think it's happened? With good treatment, they *generally* don't take long to resolve - I'd be hoping under a week, & if it went on for 2 or more, I'd be calling the vet in, as it could be something more serious.
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    12-19-2012, 05:40 AM
  #7
Yearling
I wasn't so much as asking for advice as asking for more information so that I could brush myself up on everything since I've seen tons of abscesses before, I've just never had one on a horse of my own. Unless you're a professional you always have things to learn I thought for sure a million people have delt with and done this before so I was more or less asking if anyone had any special tips they always keep in mind when doing them. Even if I've administered a drug a million times to a horse I'm still going to go back and check the label everytime to make sure I'm giving the correct dose every time; I try to be careful and cover my bases. I'm sorry if the average horse owner is incapable of what I would consider normal horse first aid -shrugs- I have had draft horses my whole life and my grandfather owned a boarding facility growing up so, needless to say I saw him do more than my fair share of popping abscesses for owners. Not trying to be a crazy horse owner or anything but, I'm also familiar with trimming (since back in the day my grandpa had a pony business and a carriage business with a herd of a ponies and drafts and he wasn't about to pay a small fortune to get them all done so we all took farrier classes) to the point where I would feel comfortable trimming my own horse any day I just choose not because I'm by no means a pro at it and I want what's best for my horse.

I don't see why a week or two is terrible guess? I guess maybe I should've said a week or so. Not trying to cause troubles, truly, I was just guessing best and worse case best case she's better in ~week worst case 2; I just wanted maybe a link to some useful youtube video so I could watch it done a bunch more times and see if anyone who's done it a lot can give any 'tips' . Generally I would assume I would be doing a poultice for ~a week I was just giving myself self some extra time incase I needed to maybe iodine it or whathave you but, you're absolutely right I would hope I wouldn't have to bandage her for two weeks.

Mag paste is magnesium sulfate paste which is what I have on hand until the icthamol paste I ordered comes in on thursday which is what I will be packing her hoof with primarily.

I think she was running around the pasture and possibly injured herself somehow very slightly and a abscess formed from that. I keep close eye of my horse and she was not lame until yesterday and even then she wasn't 'dead lame' she was for sure off though. Also, not sure if this matters but, I'm 100% certain of where her abscess would be if she indeed does have one, it's pretty obvious where the heat and pain is coming from especially after proding her about it so I don't think this would be one of those where did the abscess go things, lol...

I'm going to hold off on lancing her abscess for a couple of days and see if it resolves itself and possibly have the vet come out.

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    12-19-2012, 07:38 PM
  #8
Yearling
Are you a farrier? Trimmer? Vet? If not, you have no business cutting out an abscess. The fact that you asked here tells me all I need to know about your skill level on this subject despite your claims. Sorry. This isnt meant to be insulting but rather enlightening ESPECIALLY since so many (namely KIDS) read this forum and might get the idea THEY could cut an abscess out. NO. Draining an abscess is NOT general first aid. Ever. You can do serious damage digging around trying to find it. Its very close to and sometimes IS vet territory. Its a fine line there.


Anyway, All that aside, Its better to let them work their way to the coronet or heel and blow out themselves anyway. They stay cleaner and heal a great deal faster. Don't bute at first and keep the horse turned out moving around. I find a diaper with black salve works very well to draw them and leave them turned out with another who will encourage them to move a bit.
     
    12-19-2012, 08:42 PM
  #9
Trained
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Draining an abscess is NOT general first aid. Ever. You can do serious damage digging around trying to find it. Its very close to and sometimes IS vet territory.
Don't think that can be said too many times.

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Unless you're a professional you always have things to learn I thought for sure a million people have delt with and done this before
I wouldn't employ a professional who thought they knew everything & sounds like perhaps it's the new, not 'old time' practices & recommendations that you need to learn a lot more about how they've changed. There are alot of antiquated practices that your grand dad would have been familiar with that they now know better about.
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    12-20-2012, 08:43 PM
  #10
Banned
I would never have a abscess cut out on my horse been there done that and it was a disaster. Horse was lame for over a month from it all because farrier thought that's what needed to be done. I can tell you one thing farrier will NEVER be cutting out another abscess on ANY of my horses. If my horse abcesses again I will do the soaking to get it to come out.
     

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