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    09-21-2012, 12:28 PM
  #11
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by Jetson    
Owner has had him about 5 months so not much history. When she bought him he had a severely sore back and was told he was gimping down a gravel road barefoot.

New owner put shoes on him and really hasnt noticed any issues. About 4 weeks ago, right after his last shoeing he started showing signs of soreness on front left.
Bottom line here - she bought a lame horse. The shoes maybe masked the lameness for a while.

The vet needs to see this horse.
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    09-21-2012, 02:15 PM
  #12
Foal
Thanks for all the responses, and I agree with all you have all said. Owner does care about the horse but plans to sell. She is starting him on bute today. Yes, the shoes could have masked the problem. Oh, and he is in a very dry pasture and is able to run into his stall which is 6 inches of sawdust on rubber mats. Which makes the thrush not make much sense because there really isnt any mud in his pasture. But, I suppose with shoes, he could have packed in some dirt and mud and it hung out there, Im just not sure. But now to add to it, although this horse will run through the pasture on his own just for fun he is sore. And holy rude!!! This boy has become rude to the point of dangerous. I watched him on a lead line last night, rear spin and buck like a fool! Just walking through the yard!! So is his discomfort making him rude? I don't know but he will start on bute today and the shoes have been off now for almost 2 days, I will be very interested to see what comes of all of this. Although I would love it if she would get some xrays on him, I so want to know whats going on. So, its possible xrays are coming soon. I have to wonder if he had navicular and maybe this last set of shoes just put him over the edge. Not that Im saying shoes are bad, Im saying that he is getting a normal shoeing and maybe that's not what he needed. I do know his old owner of 4 years was not so good about getting trims in a timely manner so maybe that has something to do with his issues today.
     
    09-25-2012, 01:46 PM
  #13
Weanling
My guy "points" with his bad leg. I think its a very common presentation of the Navicular. He had been doing it so long that hoof is actually smaller now on t hat side.
The real key is to observe him from the side and look for any head bobbing when he's trotting.
A horse with a sore front foot will head bob at the trot NOTICEABLY.

What is his age and breed?
     
    09-25-2012, 01:54 PM
  #14
Foal
Yes, he points with his bad foot, holds it out mostly as to say this is where it hurts. He also will bend at the knee and tip the toe when he grazes. He is 10 year old paint. Yes, difinate head bobbing at the trot. Hardly noticeable at the walk, although he does stumble a lot. I also read that new bad behavior is a sign of serious pain and this boy has become seriosly rude. Its all coming together now.
     
    09-25-2012, 02:25 PM
  #15
Weanling
I agree your friend purchased a lame horse.
I bought a lame one also So I feel for her.
Never having HAD a lame horse before I didn't notice the head bobbing
Initally (it wasn't as bad) but he definitely had a RUDE attitude when I rode him. SO glad I didn't start whipping him like I was encouraged to do. Looking back i'm sure he was hurting.....

Now that I've seen it and read about it I wont make that mistake again.
IF she hasn't had the horse very long a few months I would try to return him.

I asked his breed and age because certain breeds are very prone to Nav. Large horses with small feet are prone. Quarter horses and Warmbloods especially the Dutch ones are very prone to Navicular.

There are surgeries that can be done but to tell what is causing the Navicular (there are actually several different reasons horses have Nav)
You will need to get a MRI. At the college. Around here that costs about
1500. But that's to only way to know for sure where you are.

Good luck
     
    09-25-2012, 02:41 PM
  #16
Foal
Its so interesting because this was the anyone could ride horse and now he is bucking and spinning on a lead line going for a quiet stroll in the yard! And he has injured her husband, broke his rib and wrist not even 20 feet from the barn, just went nutts. The pieces of the puzzle are now finally starting to come together. She put him on bute on friday and he has a much nicer attitude although he hasnt been ridden, just out on pasture. Wildacrefarm thank you for sharing your story, it all makes sense now!!
     
    09-26-2012, 11:25 AM
  #17
Foal
After my own battles with "navicular" ...I put a response in your other thread. I'm a veterinary technician and I completely disagree with everything that is said about navicular by veterinarians. Its horse manure IMO. I recommend reading this by Pete Ramey
DIGGING FOR THE TRUTH ABOUT NAVI

I would start a trim based off the wild horse model and treat for thrush. Keeping this horse outdoors for lots of movement is also ideal. Instead of shoes, try hoof boots for protection and traction.

I also don't blame the horse for "going nuts" they chose to ride a horse that's obivously been in pain. Of course bute is going to help make him feel better but that's not a good long-term antiinflammatory/pain solution. Try ground white willow bark 1tbsp twice daily. It doesn't have the negative effects as bute for long term use, good to use during the transition and a little after and slowly take the horse off it by reducing the dose.
     
    09-26-2012, 01:05 PM
  #18
Foal
Quarterhorseluv, great article. Looks like we are on the right track with him. Shoes have been removed, a conservative trim bringing the foot back in line. I will trim him again in a few days. Sad part is, after all of this, he will be sold. I can only hope who ever the new owner is that they will do what it takes to keep him sound and happy.
     

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