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  • Need an opinion on my horses shoeing

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    02-11-2013, 03:09 PM
  #11
Yearling
It doesnt take a long time. It takes knowledge. I swear farriers say that to protect themselves and bad work. I can have quite a bit of positive results on almost any hoof, even horrible ones in 3 months so long as the diet is good. Heck in one trim I can do alot of good for feet like that! In 8 months, you have almost a whole new foot and when shod, it belongs to the farrier who shod it. Those feet are appalling and the under run heels are atrocious. One good trim will go a long way for this horse to get those heels unfolded and back under his body. 4 good trims and this horse will be vastly improved if the farrier or trimmer is skilled.

Also, your horse appears to have some metabolic issues on top of a poor farrier. You should look very closely at the diet and cut down the NSCs to 10 or 15% because half the battle is diet when it comes to growing a good strong foot. I see weak stretched and flared white line and I see a cresty neck and fat pockets all these things predispose a horse to problems down the road. What is this horse eating?
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    02-11-2013, 06:01 PM
  #12
Weanling
Nothing to add, I think you've gotten excellent advice but I just wanted to say she is cute. Striking color combo. :) Love it.
     
    02-11-2013, 06:10 PM
  #13
Super Moderator
In my almost 55 years with horses, that ranks as one of the worst shoeing/trimming jobs I have ever see. The shoes on that first photo are way too small. YIKES!
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    02-11-2013, 06:18 PM
  #14
Started
I am so glad to hear you are getting help right away. Bet you will see results almost immediately.
It's clear you care about your horse.
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    02-11-2013, 08:57 PM
  #15
Started
It's a blessing you found someone with some knowledge to help you. Grab this opportunity. Good luck.
     
    02-11-2013, 09:14 PM
  #16
Yearling
Don't hesitate to pull the shoes off right now. The horse is much better off going barefoot and putting the entire foot on the ground as is until a new farrier can take over. The lack of support in what is left of the heel can and will cause your horse to develop lameness of some sort from anything to corns/bruised heels to suspensory damage. Long toes/underrun heels can take time to bring back if they were really bad, but this is NOT the way to do it. Good for you for putting your foot down about the whole thing!!
     
    02-12-2013, 10:16 AM
  #17
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by lightning    
Lightning, I wanted to show you the difference between my farriers work and you farriers work.
This might give you a good perspective on the difference in shoeing jobs.

The first two photos were taken when shoes were 6 1/2 weeks old.



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These second two photos were after he was just shod.


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    02-12-2013, 05:03 PM
  #18
Foal
Hi.
Thank you to everyone who replied. It is hard to hear but at least after a year of her being tortured by her feet, I can now do something about it. I can't begin to explain how upset I am with myself but since this isn't "People's self centered feelings forum" I won't try. My poor horse has tried to tell me something was very wrong for so long now. And I knew it. I had her looked at by four different veterinarians and none of them ever said anything about her feet. I had the tendons in her rear legs ultrasounded by the last vet just last month and she is one of the people who highly recomended the farrier, and the trainer.

My horse would paw at the ground and go down onto her elbows when I would start to go on a ride. She would sit down like a dog sometimes. She never through me or even tried, but she did toss some of the so called trainers I had tried before I found this one. Nobody ever told me about her feet.

For her tendons and ligaments, she has poor suspensory ligaments acording to the current vet. She said that eventually that is what will do her in. Anyway for them, I do legend injections monthly and wrap her rear legs in standing wraps and no bow pillow wraps including the fetlock in the wrap. I do those wraps nightly or daily depending on what we are doing that day. They are changed once a day and I occasionally will leave them off if it is raining or they have been on constantly.

When I ride her, which is only at a walk and slow trot I put on Professionals Choice SMBII boots on all four legs and remove them after and ice her legs depending on how much work was done. Then the standing wraps go back on. I haven't been riding her much at all lately due to giving the tendons a rest. She has been on rest for 6 to 8 weeks now. So riding her maybe once a week for only 15 minutes only at a walk.

My trainer comes out once a week and mostly it has been ground work. I don't know what I am going to do about the trainer right now. I have to let her go but I did sign a contract. I will talk to her this Friday.

Acorn, thank you. I think she is beautiful, and love her very much.

Trinity: Just to let you know the basics...She is andalusian TBH cross. 19yrs old. Has old injurys to her tendons of the rear legs from her kicking. Just a little history on her so you know.

She was well bred (although she has conformation flaws like long sloping pasturns etc. camped under, crooked legs) Just found all this out. She was kept in a pasture with her mom and another mare for one year and then kept in a 10 x 10 box stall with a huge hole in the middle from urine, for the ages of one through four. There were other horses in this stable and all they did all day was snap at each other and kick the walls. She was let out very rarely. I guess this is where she got her bad kicking problem.

After that when she was 5 years old she was sold and training under saddle didn't start till she was six due to her bones being so under developed and her being "oddly clutzy" She still kicked the stall walls but was kept in a large area. She did have "violent outbursts" and "savagely attacked" a mule and I guess from what I was told, other horses.

She moved around after that and had some bad "training" experiences etc. Was sold to horse traders at one time who are the ones who most likely "trained" her. She eventually wound up across the country and bred to an andalusian and had a beautiful filly who was eventually sold at three years of age. She was not ridden this entire time and still kicked everything in site. She was also barefoot then.

After sitting for years and her filly was sold her owner gave her to a girl who jumped her. She didn't have any time for her and she sat in a corral most of the time kicking the coral panels. She had hurt herself doing that and eventually was moved to a 16'x 18' small corral where I was leasing a horse I never rode. The girl felt bad because she didn't have time for her and couldn't afford her so she gave her to me.

That was a little over a year ago. I will enclose a picture of her then. She was under weight horrible feet but I guess not as bad as now. Hoof abscesses, hoof wall crack etc. Really bad thrush. Bad teethe. There was also no horse inside. Like she was dead. It took a month before she would look forward to seeing me. Or at least perk her ears up when I drove in.

Okay, I moved her to another ranch. I had constant problems with everything since she is my first horse. I just didn't know and there is so much information out there that is wrong. We didn't speak the same language. You can see in my earlier posts some of the tragic things that happened like when she tried to jump the corral gait and hurt herself badly. I thought she would die. She was on IV fluids for the first 24 hours and we bonded then. She kept kicking, even anemic from internal damage and all torn up from the fall, she still was able to kick her leg through a piece of wood in her corral when I left her for a couple of hours.

I tried hot wire and every thing I could think of including kicking chains. She won't kick if I am there but I can't be there 24/7.

So, after the accident, I moved her to the largest corral at the ranch where it is 50'x24' and has an attached 12x12 barn. She likes the barn. She has no horses housed near her and the corral next to her is kept empty just for her. I also keep a freedom feeder full of grass so the kicking isn't food related. She will kick till she hurts herself if she runs out of food.

I know some people will not understand why I don't "just put my foot down" with her. It doesn't work. Really doesn't work. She will hurt herself and I don't want to see her hurt anymore. So please don't tell me about how it wouldn't happen if it was your horse etc. You don't know. She will kill herself before she will be a "normal" horse. I don't care anymore. As long as she is happy. That is all that matters to me. I will never again have another fight with this horse. Nobody wins.

Sorry I digress. So the trainer I use I did like her training methods because she would instead of fighting with my horse she would just end on doing something my horse liked to do and knew how to do well. My horse loves to learn and learns very quickly provided she understands. She gets very frustrated if she doesn't understand and if she is pushed without knowing what is wanted from her, that is when she can be "dangerous". Of course all horses can be dangerous but I think you know what I mean. Praise works the best with her as she really does love to be good. She is a great horse.

My trainer said she responds like a four year old and not a 19 year old horse. She is unsure of herself and is not confident and is immature. She has been abused by a lunge whip as she is terrified of it. I didn't know that when she ran through the gate. Now I lunge her only useing my body language. Or at least I am trying. My trainer does that much better.

Sorry I am rambling again.

She eats all the Bermuda grass she wants out of her freedom feeder.
3 lbs of Triple Crown Low Starch. Soaked in about 4 qts of water
to that I add:
Adeptus Nimble
Adeptus Allay
Bioten Hoof
Omeprazole
electrolytes

Snacks which are not that often are carrots and apple (only the apple when I have to give her pills)

She needs to start excersizing more but I won't get on her or do anything till the feet are done. I have called the new farrier and am waiting for a call back.

Okay I think you have my horses life story here. Sorry this turned out to be a novel. Hope your still awake.

I will attach some more photos.
     
    02-12-2013, 05:12 PM
  #19
Yearling
Well the good news is, with proper trimming and hoof care and getting those bones lined up properly again, her tendons will be under alot less strain and she will likely improve alot when she is comfortable. Keep checking in here and don't loose hope even if you have to try several farriers to get this right.

The bad news is...and IME, if people are not recognizing the clear obvious hoof issues she has, they are probably not used to seeing a properly healthy foot and this is normal for your area and the area vets are not knowledgeable about the equine foot. IE...farriers around you all probably turn out work like this and the vets will back them up because no one knows any better.
     
    02-12-2013, 05:18 PM
  #20
Banned
You sound like a very caring owner your horse is lucky she found you. Hope your new farrier is good and gets her hooves back to good condition. Keep us updated and make sure to post pics of new trim. Oh your horse is very nice looking love her color!!
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