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        10-16-2013, 11:56 AM
      #11
    Yearling
    I couldn't see the pictures to comment on your horses feet but I completely agree with Smrobs on talking to him about your concerns.
         
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        10-16-2013, 05:31 PM
      #12
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Sharpie    
    always a little cautious on gravel/rocks barefoot.
    Aside from other factors of discomfort on gravel, carving away the frog callus every trim definitely doesn't help that & if you want to *protect* the base of his feet, pads may be a good move. ... Or consider hoof boots instead.

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    What might I ask/say the next go around to improve the job for my horse?
    Yeah that's tricky - if he doesn't understand or doesn't agree with balancing the foot properly.... but if he's your 'lesser evil', it's worth a try - I'd point him to e-hoofcare.com for starters, ask him to study that & then get back to you & tell you what he thinks about it.
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        10-17-2013, 03:46 PM
      #13
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Sharpie    
    This is the third shoeing with this farrier on a 6 week cycle. He is shod all around due to the combination of longer miles and rocky trails and gravel paths we typically ride. He has good feet with no outward issues, but was always a little cautious on gravel/rocks barefoot. I suppose you all have confirmed some of my concern: that while his work is not bad, and good enough to keep my boy apparently sound and happy, we may in the long run have issues.

    The question then becomes, where do I go from here? There are six farriers here I am aware of. This fellow, three who's work I have seen and that I will not allow to touch my horse, and two more of completely unknown (to me) quality.

    What might I ask/say the next go around to improve the job for my horse? Or do you think that it may be a losing side to try to change what I am getting and I ought to look around further for a farrier who's methods more closely match my ideal? This gentleman is good with my horse, me, and very considerate and easy to work with, so I don't want to imply he would not be willing to 'customize' his trim/shoeing, but I know that it can be taken the wrong way to ask to change things too.
    I would go ahead and discuss your concerns. Ask why. I still think it's a pretty good job, to me it looks like he's taken the toe back, notice the nice high angles, and he is not bringing the heel further back to sacrifice the nice angles your horse has. With nice angles like that, it shows that he's striving towards healthy. The angles would not be that nice if he was going towards trouble. Sometimes the heel comes back slowly or is taken back slowly as not to ruin the nice hoof angles. I'll tell you, no one could get them on my horse till the last farrier I had took a whole year to get them back . If he was trimming your horse towards unhealthy, your horse would have longer toes and more run forward heels. It's a process and it doesn't happen overnight.

    With all you say about the farrier, I would be happy to keep him, and ask him what his goal is on your horse's hooves.
         
        10-17-2013, 04:19 PM
      #14
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    Originally Posted by princessfluffybritches    
    I would go ahead and discuss your concerns. Ask why. I still think it's a pretty good job, to me it looks like he's taken the toe back, notice the nice high angles, and he is not bringing the heel further back to sacrifice the nice angles your horse has. With nice angles like that, it shows that he's striving towards healthy. The angles would not be that nice if he was going towards trouble. Sometimes the heel comes back slowly or is taken back slowly as not to ruin the nice hoof angles. I'll tell you, no one could get them on my horse till the last farrier I had took a whole year to get them back . If he was trimming your horse towards unhealthy, your horse would have longer toes and more run forward heels. It's a process and it doesn't happen overnight.

    With all you say about the farrier, I would be happy to keep him, and ask him what his goal is on your horse's hooves.


    If you read second post by OP it states this is only the third time this farrier has shod horse. So who knows how feet will look months down the road.

    There are issues patty stiller pointed out loosie has also pointed out some things. Its not a horrible job but certainly not the best eihter.

    Took more then 3 visits from farriers I fired to figure out they werent going to fix anything. All of fired farriers wouldnt listen to any concerns either. So when my concerns fell on deaf ears... they werent coming back and they were let known.
         
        10-17-2013, 10:32 PM
      #15
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by spirit88    
    If you read second post by OP it states this is only the third time this farrier has shod horse. So who knows how feet will look months down the road.

    There are issues patty stiller pointed out loosie has also pointed out some things. Its not a horrible job but certainly not the best eihter.

    Took more then 3 visits from farriers I fired to figure out they werent going to fix anything. All of fired farriers wouldnt listen to any concerns either. So when my concerns fell on deaf ears... they werent coming back and they were let known.

    We don't know what the feet looked like prior to this shoeing, and the 2 before that. It looks to me like he's trimmed the toe back as far as he could, and moved breakover back a bit which shows me that he knows what he's doing. It appears that bringing the heel back any further would have sacrificed the angle, which he was smart enough not to do. It does not look like the horse's hooves are getting worse, they look well maintained.

    It took a farrier over 8 months to get my horse's angles on the positive side while bringing the heels back. It took time. My farrier prior to that tried to do it in 2 trims and failed. All he got was a negative palmer, and was not invited back.

    OP also said that the farrier is easy to communicate with, and that's worth a lot too. He does listen to her.

    On any hoof, there is always room for improvement, I haven't seen any perfect hooves yet except in a book.

    What's nice about this forum is that there is so much food for thought offered from different opinions . Patty and Loosie are 2 of a bunch here who are so knowledgeable I love reading their replies, and learning lots ,whether I agree or not.

    I think the OP can ask the farrier next time what he sees as his goals with her horse's hooves, and what the plan of care is. That would be the most polite way of finding out if it's what you believe the goals should be.
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        10-17-2013, 11:32 PM
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    Originally Posted by princessfluffybritches    
    We don't know what the feet looked like prior to this shoeing, and the 2 before that. It looks to me like he's trimmed the toe back as far as he could, and moved breakover back a bit which shows me that he knows what he's doing. It appears that bringing the heel back any further would have sacrificed the angle, which he was smart enough not to do. It does not look like the horse's hooves are getting worse, they look well maintained.

    It took a farrier over 8 months to get my horse's angles on the positive side while bringing the heels back. It took time. My farrier prior to that tried to do it in 2 trims and failed. All he got was a negative palmer, and was not invited back.

    OP also said that the farrier is easy to communicate with, and that's worth a lot too. He does listen to her.

    On any hoof, there is always room for improvement, I haven't seen any perfect hooves yet except in a book.

    What's nice about this forum is that there is so much food for thought offered from different opinions . Patty and Loosie are 2 of a bunch here who are so knowledgeable I love reading their replies, and learning lots ,whether I agree or not.

    I think the OP can ask the farrier next time what he sees as his goals with her horse's hooves, and what the plan of care is. That would be the most polite way of finding out if it's what you believe the goals should be.


    Well if we don't know what feet looked like before this shoe job and 2 prior to it can't really get a good idea on how good or bad farrier is. Op has one thing going for them farrier is willing to listen.

    Guess time will tell how good he is or isnt ...I just don't have much faith in farriers any more. To many no good ones iv used they talk a good talk but fail to do what they talk about. Honestly Iam done with farriers willl NEVER have one out again.
         
        10-18-2013, 12:03 AM
      #17
    Foal
    Just remember he works for you so go ahead and talk to him. He will probably listen or give you his reasons why he does what he does. It never hurts to ask questions.
         
        10-18-2013, 12:11 AM
      #18
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by spirit88    
    Well if we don't know what feet looked like before this shoe job and 2 prior to it can't really get a good idea on how good or bad farrier is. Op has one thing going for them farrier is willing to listen.

    Guess time will tell how good he is or isnt ...I just don't have much faith in farriers any more. To many no good ones iv used they talk a good talk but fail to do what they talk about. Honestly Iam done with farriers willl NEVER have one out again.

    I hear ya , Spirit. I trimmed myself for 3 years, then moved to a barn and the next 4 farriers were idjets. I am currently working with a farrier once a week, mostly trims, some shoes. He does a good job. Missy May is relieved that this farrier does a good job. She's seen my horse's feet posted so many times, she knows the feet without reading who posted them, LOL. I know how hard it is to trust anyone ever with my horse's feet. But, like you, it's taken me 4 farriers to get to where I have confidence in myself. Professional or certified does not mean good.
         
        10-18-2013, 07:04 PM
      #19
    Trained
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    It looks to me like he's trimmed the toe back as far as he could,
    I disagree. I think because the horse has good feet with pretty straight walls, the degree of stretching may have just been missed. It sounds like he only (coughs) 'backed up' the toe as much as he did because Sharpie wanted him to as well.
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        10-18-2013, 07:07 PM
      #20
    Showing
    I have to agree with Loosie, those are not what I would call "backed up" toes. There is still quite a bit there that can come off to ease that breakover the way it needs to be.
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