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#1 ·
So I am just looking for opinions. The good, the bad, and the ugly.

To me, it looks like he could have foundered but maybe it's the rings playing tricks with me.

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#2 ·
Long toe, under run heel. They don't look laminitic to me, but that doesn't mean anything. The heels may not be underrun, I just can't see with the shadows. If they aren't, He needs a bit more heel. That toe really needs to be backed up, though as the hooves are too run forward. That'll lead to coffin bone rotation and stress on the tendons in the leg. All an easy fix if you keep on top of it. The new hoof growth is growing in correctly.
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This is the haffie that I just got on a lease to own and lets just say his hooves weren't done in forever until Friday when I had them done

I couldn't tell if it was the heat ring in the LF making me think he could have foundered or what. It seems like there is a small divet in the middle of his hoof that looks similar to my guy who has a couple degrees of rotation. Then again, I know next to nothing. :lol:
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It may look better to you if trimmed nicely. The rings in a founder will become tighter in the front and spacier at the heel. It looks like your rings are evenly spaced. Hoof rings can mean any change at all in feed, environment, etc. A founder ring would look more like it was folding.

Does he stand with his front feet out in front of him? Is he sore or lame? He could have had a bout of laminitis, but I wouldn't know.
 
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He parks out but I had a whole nother thread about that. I think he was parking out randomly because he needed his sheath done bad. I cleaned it yesterday and he had a bean the size of a quarter.

But anyway, I've only had him for a week. He hasn't been lame, no abnormal heat on his hooves, no digital pulse, etc.

I just got him last week. We've had a rocky start (he coliced the day after he got here) and not to mention he has thrush and his feet hasn't been done in awhile I just had them done on Friday.
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My vet told me the only way to know for sure about founder is get an x-ray. Also rings in hooves can indicate when a change in his diet took place. When I got my gelding he was on a crappy diet, I changed his diet and a couple months later noticed a bump/ring in his hoof my farrier said it was an indication of change of diet change.
 
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I know the rings are caused my stress, diet change, etc.

I posted a few pictures of my geldings feet on here awhile ago and alot of people told me it looks like he had foundered in his LF. So, I had the vet out to do X-rays and sure enough, he did.

That being said, I'm not looking for a definite answer, just opinions. :)
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You didnt show us the sole.

From what I see, I dont think founder. Just a very distorted toe. The wall is trying to grow in at the right angle at the top. The foot should be mapped and trimmed with ELPO guidelines. This is the kind of foot that hoof mapping shines on fixing. Just a few trims many times will have it mostly fixed if the diet is good and the hoof is growing well.
 
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Looks like your farrier did a trim as if he were going to shoe and not a barefoot trim. There's a lot that can still be taken back all around, especially at the toe. It also looks like he's got some deep sulcus thrush. His RF looks to be worse off than his LF. He also looks flat footed. Bringing the toe back should help him develop some natural concavity.
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Yeah I've been treating him for the thrush. It's pretty bad and ouchy.

I will remind my farrier to take back more toe when he's done again. My farrier is coming back in 5 weeks to do my other gelding so I will just have this guy done again then.
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Here's pix of his feet almost 6 weeks after the first trim in the OP. I only have side views. I will get better pix tomorrow. I know the toes can still be taken back alot but anything else you see would be awesome. :)

Also- there is a bump in the middle of his hoof. You can see it in the side views. What might that be?

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And sole shots? Looks better but toe could still come back more. The lumpy bit may be when the feet were under a bit more stress, minor laminitic event, &/or due to mechanics. Above the lump, right at the top of the hoof, appears to be the angle the toe 'should' be growing at. So part of the treatment would be bevelling the toes back to relieve undue force & allow them to grow down well attached.

Be good to see right after a trim too. I'd also have this horse on a short trim cycle, or you could rasp toes in between farrier visits, to keep them in shape.
 
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He's on a 6 week cycle. This was right after a trim. The lumpy part just appeared and aren't in the last shots in the OP. He hasn't had a bout of laminitis, though. Could you explain more about what would cause that lump loosie? Also, do his feet look like he may have foundered? I k ow you of course can't tell 100% until X-rays are taken but I am just curious :)
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#15 ·
to me these feet look very compromised. Much too low heel, too long toe, most likely negative palmar angle. If this is your horse, I would get down to studying natural hooves. Could this be one more victim of a Strasser trimmer? It seems to me this way. If yes, I would let that trimmer go asap.
 
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I just got him in the beginning of August and before then his feet weren't trimmed in forever. This is my farriers second round with him and I knew his toes were still too long. My farrier can have a tendency to keep too much toe on. I will remind him to take more off next time.


Also- his RF leg from knee down has been swollen since Friday. It is almost gone now and I don't think it could be related but maybe. He hasn't been lame though and no abnormal heat or tenderness. He's been fine.
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#18 ·
I don't think he looks *obviously* too low in the heel, neg palmar, or laminitic at all from just those pics. Obviously with little to go on, they are not definite. The obvious thing is the distorted toe.

He could be / have been suffering very mild, constant laminitis, that's a possibility. The lump just indicates where (it appears slight) stresses to the laminae have happened, be that dietary, mechanical, systemic or other upset... As you got him at the start of August, that may be the last ridge.
 
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