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post #11 of 109 Old 07-30-2013, 02:59 PM
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Not your horse, so you don't get the final say. If you want to experiment on letting a horse go barefoot, buy one of your own.

You have a free lease, and think you have the right to tell the horse's owner what should or shouldn't be done with the animal? No, you do not.

If you don't agree with shoes, then why did you take on a horse whose owner wants him shod all the way around?

You're showing a marked lack of respect for the horse's owner, and your arrogance quite simply astounds me.
. Where did the OP say she was going to go and take shoes of the horse? Why is such a problem for to just bring it up with the owner? Maybe the owner will be down for it or at least trying it when the OP explains why she thinks it'd be better for the horse to barefoot?

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post #12 of 109 Old 07-30-2013, 03:02 PM Thread Starter
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I just wanted to see if anyone else had been in this sort of situation before, and had relevant advice regarding it. I wouldn't call it 'beating around the bush', just collecting information that may be useful for when I do talk to the owner.

Isn't that what forums are about? People helping people and sharing ideas?? :)
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post #13 of 109 Old 07-30-2013, 03:12 PM
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Calling your situation with this horse a free lease is just a matter of semantics. You are paying all the expenses, so I see nothing wrong with going to the owner and asking about the shoes. BTW, an actual lease might be a cheaper option for you than this current agreement. You are really helping out an owner who can no longer afford to care for this animal, and not leasing anything. Just MHO
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post #14 of 109 Old 07-30-2013, 03:25 PM Thread Starter
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Calling your situation with this horse a free lease is just a matter of semantics. You are paying all the expenses, so I see nothing wrong with going to the owner and asking about the shoes. BTW, an actual lease might be a cheaper option for you than this current agreement. You are really helping out an owner who can no longer afford to care for this animal, and not leasing anything. Just MHO
this lease is costing me less than it would if I were to go to one of the other barns in the area and even half lease a 'barn horse'. Most half leases start in the 250 range, you get a max of 3 rides a week, and my monthly costs for this horse are under that. The board where I am keeping this horse is less than other barns in the area as it is a completely outdoor facility - no barn or indoor arena, is the closest one to my home (reducing travel expenses to get to the barn), and I feel at home at this barn (i kept my own horse there for the better part of 10 years in the past). Financially this is the best situation for me, while still giving me the opportunity to get an unlimited horse 'fix' at a place I feel comfortable at.

The free aspect of the lease is that I do not pay the owner anything on top of my costs for board, feed, etc.

The way I look at is this: I am getting what I want and the owner is getting what they need. Win win for both of us.
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post #15 of 109 Old 07-30-2013, 04:10 PM
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Maybe ask the Owner and the Farrier why the horse needs shoes and see it you can try with out at this barn to be helpful

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post #16 of 109 Old 07-30-2013, 05:45 PM
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has anyone else in a lease position had to convince the horse's owner that A) the horse does not need shoes, and B) a different farrier would be a good and viable option?

I already have an idea of what I am going to say, just wanted the collective opinion from y'all.

Thanks!
The OP was asking politely for some opinions.


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I see no need for such direct and rather rude remarks as have been posted, offer some constructive criticism with a little proper etiquette or keep quiet....

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post #17 of 109 Old 07-30-2013, 06:11 PM
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If someone took my horse and then thought it should have shoes taken off, especially AFTER this has obviously been discussed (Re splitting farrier costs), I would be capital P I S S E D off.
If the horse is slipping on the mud, maybe keeping it at a facility which takes care of its paddocks is a better option than just pulling the shoes. In winter, cork the horse. It's not rocket science.

I actually agree with SR and don't think she was out of line at all.

Some of the other suggestions are downright scary - let the feet grow until the shoes fall off?? On what planet does that not constitute negligence - and you're suggesting that to someone sight unseen over the internet? That's the reason the owner wants you using her farrier - to keep tabs on the horse and make sure nothing stupid is going on with it's care.
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post #18 of 109 Old 07-31-2013, 07:17 AM
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Not your horse, so you don't get the final say. If you want to experiment on letting a horse go barefoot, buy one of your own.

You have a free lease, and think you have the right to tell the horse's owner what should or shouldn't be done with the animal? No, you do not.

If you don't agree with shoes, then why did you take on a horse whose owner wants him shod all the way around?

You're showing a marked lack of respect for the horse's owner, and your arrogance quite simply astounds me.
According to original post "I pay full board and all other costs on the horse". In my area full board is at least the same (often much more) than just a lease to ride. That's besides other costs (like dewormers etc.). That's in NO WAY could be called a FREE LEASE.

Also "the only cost that is still on the owner is half of the cost of farrier". So OP is paying the other half of the cost of the farrier. Keeping shoes on where I live ranges from $120 to $200 (depending on whether just fronts or all 4) vs just $40 for the trim. So personally I don't see any problem with 1) getting 2nd opinion from the different farrier if shoes are needed, and 2) talking to the owner asking nicely why she's against going barefoot (may be there are good reasons, but may be just rip-off on farrier side).

Some comments in this thread are simply rude. The way the situation sounds to me the owner of the horse got a very good deal on owning/keeping the horse practically for free while going through tough times. How many people on this forum were looking into similar opportunity while going through financial hardship? Quite a number I have to say. And if someone is paying pretty much everything for my horse such a minor thing as asking if the horse can go barefoot is nothing compared to the money saved.

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post #19 of 109 Old 07-31-2013, 07:27 AM
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Anebel-just FYI-yes, I let his feet go without a farrier for about 3 months. In the winter, and they were not growing fast, and at no point was he ever "neglected". The minute one got lose all were removed. Worked well for me. BO was a farrier, so his feet were checked DAILY. I would not insult your intelligence, intentions or directly accuse you of neglecting your horse, and for you to do so was uncalled for. I prefer to think the OP has some intelligence and sense. Most of us can tell within a couple of sentences whether an OP has that.

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post #20 of 109 Old 07-31-2013, 07:56 AM
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If you've got so much mud now that a horse is slipping then god help you in winter. Move the horse somewher with half decent paddocs

The OWNER wants shoes on the horse, therefore you have no right to do otherwise.

I don't shoe mine at the moment as it is cheaper, easier and he doesnt need them, however when I took on a loan of anouther horse it was discussed BEFORE I took him on that his hind shoes would need to come off if the owner wanted him turned out at my yard (yard rules) owner was quite happy about this but no way on earth would I have taken the horse and then told her that.

Not all horses cope with barefoot, especialy not ones who have been shod for a long time.
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