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        07-31-2013, 08:06 AM
      #21
    Trained
    I think the answer here is pretty clear.

    Talk to the owner. Discuss your thoughts in a polite, unemotional, knowledgeable and respectful way and if she says no, then the answer is no. But you won't know until you ask.

    Sounds pretty simple to me. Good luck!
         
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        07-31-2013, 08:12 AM
      #22
    Showing
    I haven't met a farrier yet who shoes a horse to make extra money. He is quite capable of trimming the horse if it is decided it can go barefoot.
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        07-31-2013, 08:36 AM
      #23
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    I haven't met a farrier yet who shoes a horse to make extra money.
    I did. May be not so much for money, but because of the belief that shoes is the only way to go (which sometime is, no doubt, but it depends on conditions, hoofs, etc.).
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        07-31-2013, 10:33 AM
      #24
    Started
    I think it's fine to politely mention it to the owner and maybe throw in a couple of reasons why you think it's a good idea. However, if the owner says no, then move on. Don't dwell on it, don't bother the owner anymore, and respect the owner's wishes. Whether you're paying all the care bills or not doesn't matter. At the end of the day, it's still the other person's horse. If you're unhappy with the situation, find a new horse to lease with an arrangement you like better than this one.
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        07-31-2013, 10:44 AM
      #25
    Banned
    Until the OP knows exactly WHY this horse is shod all around I don't think she should be so concerned with pulling the shoes on that horse. He could end up dead lame. Also - nearly sliding into the fence because of some mud, who's horse hasn't slid in the mud with or WITHOUT shoes? I find the reasoning here a little skewed - the reason for the horse have all fours shod is not evident.
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        07-31-2013, 10:56 AM
      #26
    Started
    My horses slip WAY more barefoot than when they are shod, so I don't find that a "reasonable" argument. My horses are all barefoot, though.

    I think OP should ask if it is OK, but she is correct to have all her sources lined up. I would not use the internet, though. Call a few farriers who do barefoot trims, and get the experts' opinions, then provide the owner their phone #'s so if she has any questions, she is in the loop.

    Nancy
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        07-31-2013, 01:17 PM
      #27
    Trained
    I see no problem bringing it up if first:

    Have you had an in depth discussion with the farrier(s)?
    Does he put off plenty of sole? How are his walls? Is he flaring or have a conformational issue? Does he chip between visits? Any cracks?
    A decent farrier will be able to point those out with a glance. IF he dosen't have any of these problems I'd talk to the owner about it, if for no other reason than reducing costs. Leave it up to the owner 100%, present them with your findings, then drop it. I would feel the same about nutritional practices, tack, teeth, etc.

    I only shoe if:
    A: there is a conformational or genetic reason such as naturally tender, flaring tendency, excessive chipping etc after all nutritional and trimming needs have been met.
    B: can't keep growth up in relation to work.
    C: work requires it such as sliding shoes or those for pulling and grip.

    I've boarded several horses for family and friends, not leased, but I'll bring up any issue that I feel pretty darned sure about if it will help the horse or reduce costs. I'd also be pretty anxious if I was a boarder and had my horse out with one that was hind shod. Yeah, horses will be horses, but the impact with shoes is worse than without.

    Post the photos! He could be a great candidate for going without or not.
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        07-31-2013, 02:05 PM
      #28
    Green Broke
    Greentree, my barefoot lad slips all over the place on grass, Next season I'll put shoes on him to prevent him slipping.
    My last horse was shod with racing plates and he NEVER slipped even when going XC in the mud or a british winter (you can't put studs/corks in racing plates)
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        07-31-2013, 02:40 PM
      #29
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by FlyGap    
    I see no problem bringing it up if first:

    Have you had an in depth discussion with the farrier(s)?
    Does he put off plenty of sole? How are his walls? Is he flaring or have a conformational issue? Does he chip between visits? Any cracks?
    A decent farrier will be able to point those out with a glance. IF he dosen't have any of these problems I'd talk to the owner about it, if for no other reason than reducing costs. Leave it up to the owner 100%, present them with your findings, then drop it. I would feel the same about nutritional practices, tack, teeth, etc.

    I only shoe if:
    A: there is a conformational or genetic reason such as naturally tender, flaring tendency, excessive chipping etc after all nutritional and trimming needs have been met.
    B: can't keep growth up in relation to work.
    C: work requires it such as sliding shoes or those for pulling and grip.

    I've boarded several horses for family and friends, not leased, but I'll bring up any issue that I feel pretty darned sure about if it will help the horse or reduce costs. I'd also be pretty anxious if I was a boarder and had my horse out with one that was hind shod. Yeah, horses will be horses, but the impact with shoes is worse than without.

    Post the photos! He could be a great candidate for going without or not.
    Thank you Flygap for your knowledge. I just recently purchased my own horse after riding throughout my life (mainly when I was much younger) and I have been wondering about shoes. My guy is 17 and when I did the ppe, the vet only talked about trimming his bare feet and what to talk to the farrier about. In the barn where I board Ricky, there are several farriers (one that is very friendly). So I will likely talk to him about Ricky and his feet. Now, hopefully I can talk to him with some knowledge .... lol Thanks

    BTW -- the OP was not out of line. Some of the comments are just downright rude and I am surprised they are still here. OP is trying to gather information and present it to the owner in a respectful way. When I signed up at this forum I read some rules that basically said if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all.

    I don't speak for OP or anyone else, but I have some wonderful things to share and I came here to do just that. This site could be like every other forum and allow rude rantings and fights. I didn't think that was going to be allowed. Hopefully this is not the case.
         
        07-31-2013, 02:43 PM
      #30
    Weanling
    Just so that everyone is aware, there is not an excess of mud out at my barn. But like any barn, mud does happen, and everyone in the Edmonton/Alberta region knows we've had a lot of rain lately. Too much rain!

    As it is, Eddie lost a shoe sometime between monday night and yesterday at supper time. Yes, a call has been made to his owner and to his farrier. Just waiting to hear back. His bare hoof looks good, no damage when the shoe came off, thank goodness.
         

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