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        07-31-2013, 02:52 PM
    Yes you guys have had weird weather patterns out there this year! Way too much rain out there, and here on the west coast I can not remember when it rained last....maybe a month and a half if not longer. I would be happy as a horse owner if my horses could go barefoot all the time as it reduces my costs! It's only been about 4 years with my 26 year old that I started putting shoes on him as his feet changed and he became tender. When I'm riding trails in the summer I keep shoes on my QH and paint because they needs it for some of the footing we go on. However, in the fall the shoes come off until spring. Some horses need shoes all the time, some need them some times, and others never need them. However, there are people who don't believe this and expect horses to be shod. I don't and personally believe it is dependent on each individual horse. Good luck with the owner. You sound like a respectful and reasonable person, just bring it up and if not let it go.
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        07-31-2013, 03:12 PM
    Ah, just heard back from owner. Horse's usual farrier can't make it out until friday or the weekend :( too long for poor Eddie to be uneven with one foot bare!

    I've asked owner if he would be comfortable with another farrier coming out before usual farrier can make it, to pull shoes and do a little trim (does not look like much is needed) just so that Eddie is comfortable. Waiting to hear back.

    Does anyone have a metal detector I can borrow? I am determined to find the lost shoe out in pasture, lol! Went for a walkabout yesterday evening, looked around a good bit, but in a pasture that is approx 10 acres, with high grass in areas, and good sized areas of trees here and there, I don't think finding it with just my eyes is going to happen.......
        07-31-2013, 03:17 PM
    As someone who has leased horses for years, here's my experience:

    The shoeing or not shoeing has always been something we CAN discuss. Some owners have a very firm idea of what they want, and I respect that, but it's never caused a problem if I asked why they had that position. If you and the owner cannot discuss such things, then you will likely have other areas with similar tension and it will be a very uncomfortable relationship for both of you. I always say, getting along with the horse's owner is at least as important as getting along with the horse.

    I have recently had the opposite situation; I advocated for shoeing Z when he came up off last summer, due to the very dry hard ground and his flat, draft horse feet. The owner had kept him barefoot for a long time, but since she rode so irregularly, him being off much of the summer was not an issue (he was only slightly off and only evident when under saddle at the trot). Front shoes made him so much more comfortable, and ride-able all summer, and I am paying to RIDE him, not just admire him. So, I pay for his shoes. His owner has been super about all of this. I am not just a monthly check to her. I am part of a team that cares for HER horse, so I am also helping her, and she shows her appreciation by allowing there might be a different way to do things, that might be just as good, or better, for her horse.

    I do not think the OP was in the least bit arrogant in thinking that she would like to change to barefoot. She might be a bit ignorant of some of the reasons why the horse is shod, and until they have a discussion, she may or may not know the whole picture.
        07-31-2013, 04:10 PM
    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    I do not think the OP was in the least bit arrogant in thinking that she would like to change to barefoot. She might be a bit ignorant of some of the reasons why the horse is shod, and until they have a discussion, she may or may not know the whole picture.
    thank you for your contribution to my thread tinyliny, much appreciate it.

    The only explanation I have been given so far from the owner is 'he's always had shoes'. I would hope that if there is some physical reason for the shoes being needed, that would have been disclosed to me prior to the lease documents being signed. I was not given anything other than 'he's always had shoes'. Horse is 8 years old, and owner says they've had him about 4 years. I do need to have a discussion with his owner to elaborate on why Eddie has had shoes all this time, and to find out if they are a necessity for some reason. I know enough about hooves to know what a healthy foot looks like (on the outside at least, my x-ray eyeballs are in the shop for repairs, lol), so I can spot the blatant problems with hoof health and shape, and Eddie's feet look good to me. I do not claim to be an expert at all on hooves, but after having to deal with founder in my own horse years ago, I did my best to become educated on the basics of hoof health and care.

    As I mentioned previously in this thread, if the owner is adamant about keeping Eddie shod, I will have no problem with that. I am just proposing an alternative to them that may be viable.

    I still owe y'all hoof photos. My phone died after getting a couple shots last night, and the ones I did get were much too shadowy.
        07-31-2013, 04:10 PM
    If I were leasing out my horse, I would be absolutely specific about which farrier to use, same with vet and dentist. I would certainly end the lease if the lessee had another farrier out.

    I've never had to wait 4 days for a farrier for a thrown shoe. My farrier would come out the same day, or next day at the latest for that.

    As far as whether to shoe or not, I guess I view that differently. That decision is for my farrier to make, he's the professional and that's why I pay him. Whatever my farrier recommends is what happens with my horse. I should add, my farrier is exceptional and not some local hack job.
        07-31-2013, 04:21 PM
    Originally Posted by AlexS    
    If I were leasing out my horse, I would be absolutely specific about which farrier to use, same with vet and dentist. I would certainly end the lease if the lessee had another farrier out.
    i would never get another farrier or vet out without first consulting the owner, and ensuring they are agreeable. I know I am dealing with another person's property (as much as I hate to refer to a living animal as property, that is what they are). Nowhere in this thread have I said that I would definitely be getting a different farrier out, but merely discussing the option of it, if the owner is ok with it, and I haven't heard back yet from them.
        07-31-2013, 04:34 PM
    You sure cannot always tell by a photograph whether a horse can tolerate being barefoot or not. Another horse I ride has feet that look great, but he is super ouchy even missing a back shoe. The farrier says that he lacks the "dome" shape to the sole that would make him ok being barefoot. All I know is that he is happier in shoes, so I won't try to force him (nor try to persuade his owner) to align with the current trend to assume that barefoot is always better.

    On the flip side, my bestie bought a cute little foundation QH who had been shod all his life. Pulled the shoes because she was in the barefoot is best camp and the little horse went from a shod all his life to like a barefoot mustang, just like that!
        07-31-2013, 06:07 PM
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    That is so right tinyliny, our Willows feet look great but from experience I know that within a few weeks of having shoes off she would be in an awful state and then take ages to get right again with shoes back on
    Unfortunately sometimes the only way to discover these things is to 'try it and see'
    A horse that's always been shod will often be sore as their feet harden and adjust so you also have to work through that which is why if I want to try a new horse barefoot I usually have shoes removed at a time when I'm not going to want to be riding them for a while
        07-31-2013, 06:25 PM
    If owner does agree to barefooting Eddie, I am prepared to have to go through a transition phase where I may not be able to ride due to his hooves adjusting to being bare. No problem, we'll just spend more time getting to know each other on the ground :) this lease is supposed to be long term, and I plan on having it be that way. Lots of time for riding when the timing is right!
        07-31-2013, 08:14 PM
    Please do update us and let us know how you make out.
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