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    09-11-2012, 09:53 PM
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Retracted Sole?

My horse has had some sensitivity over gravel and rocky surfaces that became noticeable when I really started working outside of the arena and off beach sand on a regular basis. I posted a thread that Loosie responded to several weeks ago (thanks!) that his back feed looked funny, where there was a ridge at the front of the sole that was separate from the hoof wall at the toe, but I could never get a good picture. Farrier plan was for him to come out and try shoes all around rather than just the fronts. When he got there, he said that the issue making his hinds look odd was actually a retracted sole, and that it might account for his soreness. He said that there's not a lot really known about retracted soles. My horse has shoes all around now and went completely sound over gravel immediately after my farrier trimmed and shod him and has stayed that way.

Have you all heard of retracted sole before? Is it something that may become an ongoing or recurrent issue? Causes? Anything I should do to help him out? Any resources to learn more? Google wasn't a lot of help for me when I looked.
     
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    09-12-2012, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharpie    
My horse has had some sensitivity over gravel and rocky surfaces that became noticeable when I really started working outside of the arena and off beach sand on a regular basis. I posted a thread that Loosie responded to several weeks ago (thanks!) that his back feed looked funny, where there was a ridge at the front of the sole that was separate from the hoof wall at the toe, but I could never get a good picture. Farrier plan was for him to come out and try shoes all around rather than just the fronts. When he got there, he said that the issue making his hinds look odd was actually a retracted sole, and that it might account for his soreness. He said that there's not a lot really known about retracted soles. My horse has shoes all around now and went completely sound over gravel immediately after my farrier trimmed and shod him and has stayed that way.

Have you all heard of retracted sole before? Is it something that may become an ongoing or recurrent issue? Causes? Anything I should do to help him out? Any resources to learn more? Google wasn't a lot of help for me when I looked.
Have not heard of it before...do you have any pics? I'll try and find the other thread....maybe some are in there?
     
    09-12-2012, 10:03 PM
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Here's the best picture I could get, was probably 3-4 weeks after the trim? It's hard to appreciate the depth though.

     
    09-12-2012, 10:49 PM
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Look like a stretched white line. Because of the length of the toe a lot of stress is created.
     
    09-12-2012, 10:56 PM
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Been battling that for a while, much better than it used to be- had a complete diet change when I bought him last October. He stopped chipping entirely from one trim to the next just before, but then this appeared. Hard to see in the picture, but the divot/stretched line between the hoof wall and whatever part that is next towards the frog is only about half the depth as the depth from that same level of the toe/ridge of sole to the rest of the sole that meets up with the frog. Not sure what that means...

(Sorry that the picture is HUGE... didn't expect that)
     
    09-12-2012, 11:08 PM
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Yearling
Is that inside ridge rubbery? Id scrape a bit with my hoof knife and have a look see. When I have come across this several times before, it was actually a sort of false concavity. Almost always on the back feet but I did find it on a front once also on a horse that was really upright.

It was essentially just a built up ridge of really thick rubbery white line that separated from the wall but stayed nice and tight to the sole. The wall was also usually flaring out or separated as this one is also. It is very deceiving. I take it back down with the nippers just as tho it was overgrown wall leaving just a hair above the real sole (sole is usually quite flat for some reason on feet with this) making sure I keep proper bony alignment and it goes away after while. If you allow it to get too tall, you will end up with a negative palmer angle pretty fast.
     
    09-12-2012, 11:10 PM
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Looks similar to my percheron mare with her stretched white line. I am wondering if maybe your horse is trying to build a toe callous? My mare developed a lump, but it was only right at the toe and didn't follow the hoof down the sides. But maybe the hoof is just adjusting the way it needs to adjust to protect P3 due to the stretched white line. My farrier had just trimmed the lump at the toe off at this trim, not sure if that was good or not. Only time will tell.
     
    09-13-2012, 12:56 AM
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OK, I get what he means by 'retracted sole' now, seeing the pic(nothing like I imagined). It's not that the sole is retracted at all, but that the toe wall is 'stretched' forward, away from it - that ridgy bit is lamellar wedge. I would personally do a strong bevel on the entire toe wall outside the separated(gutter) line, to take the mechanical stress off the toe & allow it to grow down well attached. I'd leave the ridge & rest of the sole alone, for now at least.
     
    09-13-2012, 08:22 PM
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The sole bit was kinda rubbery, but tough. Not crumbly at all. We'll see how the next few weeks go in terms of him being sore and how the foot grows out this time... Thank you for your imput- he did say something about how it looks concave, but it's really not. How that was a false impression given because of how the toe was growing out.
     
    09-13-2012, 09:13 PM
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Yearling
That is right on the money. These feet are actually more flat. Rubbery "sole" is almost certainly just some serious white line.
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