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The first pic is before the farrier's trim . The rest are after-all right hoof
 

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Tianamalz,no it's a bonafide real farrier job. He does about 30 horses at my barn and I cannot find anything wrong with any of them . But then he comes to my horse, and says he needs to straighten her hooves to bring her legs back in.

Not only can I understand what he did, for 3 months I've been working on the inside jamming to begin with. Doesn't it look like he's making the wrong side higher?
 
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Got a picture of the whole horse standing as square as possible, relaxed?

That kind of looks like something I'd do on my own horse when I know my back is about to go out. Thing is when I do it and it's my horse I can come back later or tomorrow when the back isn't so touchy.
 
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This is a fully adult horse right? You can't change her legs. She kind of paddles out a bit?
Gaited?
Look at a lot of the Paso type horses. Lot of them paddle out and do just fine.

Hopefully Loosie and/or Trinity will chime in because I'm missing a lot of the correct vocabulary. Mostly this looks like a half finished job. Lot of dead sole in there yet, lot of extra bar. Heels are uneven. Toes need to be backed up.
 
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Yes she's gaited , a Tennessee walker. They Do tend to toe out. I never wanted her fixed. Farrier said if I don't straighten her legs, she'll get ringbone. Well, with her comfirmation, I would expect her to get something in older age. About paddling, when anyone rides her, I haven't noticed any. I'm probably oblivious to it, but it's not something that I've noticed.
 
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That's a piss poor trim job if I've ever seen one.
Unnecessarily high medial wall, overgrown bars, foot isnt balanced at all, Lots of sole that shouldve been taken out, not to mention he didnt even take the extra 5 minutes to give the feet a finish.
From what I see, he only has a slight idea of what he's doing..
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#17 ·
That is an ugly, incompetent corrective job IMO. He is going to CAUSE ringbone, arthritus and soreness by forcing imbalance and unlevel loading of the hoof and limb. Heck even the crazy padded horse guys know better than to try to straighten a turned out leg on a fully mature horse.

You know what's wrong. Don't use this guy again. Do it yourself or find someone who will trim her foot to HER leg. It is what it is.
 
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Ask Santa - I see he visited your stables already!:lol:

As I think it was Trinity who explained recently, that a lot of us got into this in the first place because we came to the conclusion that even as beginners, we weren't going to do any worse than the 'experts' we could pay money to! At least these days there are mobs of others online & around the traps who are in your boat, who are 'obsessing':-p over hoofcare. When I first started learning, I was the only one out of the box in my area - just that eccentric weirdo up the hill - now there's a huge network of us eccentric weirdos - join the club!!
 
#21 ·
Some areas are extremely knowledgeable farrier deficient and it shows. Some of the good farriers get very angry at "trimmers" but the reality is, they caused it by allowing sub par farriers to practice. I would like them to have some form of actual real tested certification that shows more than an ability to use a forge and tack a shoe to a foot. Id like it to focus on the TRIM and the HORSE first and foremost and get rid of the outdated crap some of the farrier schools are pumping out! Had they made SURE that practicing farriers were actually good at their jobs, we wouldnt be here. We would happily pay for competent trimming and the bad ones would soon go out of business because they couldnt keep work or didnt keep up continuing education or were ousted by their peers for bad work. Something.

Id rather do an OK job myself for free than pay for a bad one. That is exactly what started me out trimming quite a few years ago now. I made mistakes. I screwed up. ALOT. I over trimmed a few times, I under trimmed a few times, I neglected the bars because PETE SAID SO! and then I learned better and so did he lol...I struggled and fought with underrun heels and long toes that just wouldnt fix and I struggled to really understand structure and form till finally, FINALLY I got it. Theres more I screwed up im sure but....I STILL did a better job even on my worst days than what I HAD been PAYING for!
 
#22 ·
Theres more I screwed up im sure but....I STILL did a better job even on my worst days than what I HAD been PAYING for!
Yep, looking back in hindsight at the mistakes I made, I still feel the same way - scary, huh?? I'm all for regulation & testing of the industry!
 
#23 ·
There's actually an organization that requires either 12 or 36 hours of continued education a year to keep your membership, it's still growing as it's newer, but I know a couple guys that are a part of it.

The only thing I enjoyed at merdith manor were my farrier classes. I learned how to trim and never touched a forge or a shoe until I could do a good trim job with only minor faults, and then John fixed them and showed me when I was done, lol. So..I learned from an AFA and AAPF certified farrier and I have over 500 hours under a horse working on a foot..still havent touched a shoe yet since I dropped out, but you can bet that I advertise my farrier services, even if they're only trims.
At some point I'm going to get around to obtaining an AAPF (American Association of Professional Farriers) membership and attend the clinics they have as well as their network of very knowledgable farriers, forgers, journeymen, and trimmers.

While I may never figure out how to shoe, you can bet I'm going to be doing all my trims myself and only getting shoes fitted when I bring a farrier out, unless I can get John to come out and be able to afford him (4 hours away, but he's seriously the best farrier I've ever seen).
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#24 ·
Check out About the Whole Horse on youtube. I watched it this morning and it's a real eyeopener. A farrier who also took a course in chiropriactics drastically changed how he trims/shoes based on the symmetry of the horse's body. One set of illustrations is how he changed how he did a club foot. This is a youngster with an extreme club, like a ballet dancer in toe shoes and how he gradually changes the angles. The dvd is lengthy and very informative.
 
#26 ·
A farrier who also took a course in chiropriactics drastically changed how he trims/shoes based on the symmetry of the horse's body.
The weird thing is, it does seem that those hooves are actually connected to the legs, which are connected to the body....:-p

However, I have looked for hours online and can't find any reference to trimming one side higher than the other to correct something.
Oh if you're going to a show next week & you want the horse to *look* straighter for the judges, that could be a productive move.:twisted:
 
#25 ·
I finally actually stood my ground (re medial high). The barn owner and my trainer think I'm obsessed, but they say that he is trying to correct her toeing-out. So I told them that I did not want her corrected. I just want level sides, heels equal length. The barn owner said he'll call the farrier and have him adjust the heels.

I guess there are people out there that think that you can trim a horse to fix some poor confirmation. However, I have looked for hours online and can't find any reference to trimming one side higher than the other to correct something.

For the first time, I don't care if they think I'm wrong. I'm not.
 
#28 ·
I finally actually stood my ground (re medial high). The barn owner and my trainer think I'm obsessed, but they say that he is trying to correct her toeing-out. So I told them that I did not want her corrected. I just want level sides, heels equal length. The barn owner said he'll call the farrier and have him adjust the heels.

I guess there are people out there that think that you can trim a horse to fix some poor confirmation. However, I have looked for hours online and can't find any reference to trimming one side higher than the other to correct something.

For the first time, I don't care if they think I'm wrong. I'm not.
Good for you! Over the years, I have put my horses in boarding stables/equestiran centers when I moved for very short periods of time to have a place to land them during the move. They were all nice places, I did not want to chance anything. I observed that some, not all, had a group "attitude" that went w them, like a "we do it this way", "we use so and so" superiority thing. I am not saying that is good or bad, I am just saying I can see where it might persuade or intimidate one right out of their common sense.
 
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