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    12-03-2011, 09:10 PM
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should I stop the biotin? Being trimmed every 4 weeks is getting costly...

My TB has been on bioflax 20 since September of last year, she currently has wonderful feet but they grow insanely fast! She had been wearing boots for the last few months and if I went even to 5 weeks I wasn't able to get her boots(easyboot epics) on. Ideally I would like to be able to push her to at least a 6 week schedule. I'm wondering if I stop the bioflax 20, maybe her hoof grow will slow down a bit? Do you think the quality of her hoof will suffer at all if I take her off it? I want to do the best I can for my horse but it's really hurting my bank account lol
     
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    12-03-2011, 09:58 PM
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Have you considered reducing the dose?

I started supplementing biotin about 4-6 weeks ago, and my horses' hooves are growing much faster. I was thinking of cutting the dose 50% myself.
     
    12-08-2011, 12:00 AM
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Have you considered reducing the dose?

I started supplementing biotin about 4-6 weeks ago, and my horses' hooves are growing much faster. I was thinking of cutting the dose 50% myself.
I honestly didn't even think of that lol, I guess I could, but I wonder if she really needs it now that her feet are doing so well. I'm going to see my trimmer on friday so I plan on asking her her advise then, as long as I remember. I tend to be a little scattered brained :roll:
     
    12-08-2011, 06:55 AM
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Can you not ride without boots so they self trim, my TB is barefoot and goes months without trimming other than self trimming (but I maintain the roll on the edge). If your horse can't go without boots then I'd be looking at what in her diet is causing her hooves to be sensitive (mag ox deficiency causes footiness in some horses and grass is also often a cause).
     
    12-08-2011, 09:34 AM
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She can now, when I first got her last may I pulled her shoes and gave her off 4 months and she was never tender even on Sharp gravel. Then in April I moved her to where I take lessons and in May had the barns farrier trim her, after that I could only ride her in the indoor or she would be ouchy. I found a barefoot trimmer who did her feet a few weeks after that but she was still tender so I had her fitted for boots. She's been seen by her every 4 weeks now and her feet are great, in October I started testing her without boots and she's been doing good without them now. Now its getting crappy so we will probably be stuck in the indoor again for a while. She only wore the boots for riding in the outdoor and on trails.
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    12-08-2011, 09:55 AM
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April and May are peak times for horses being footy as that is when the grass kicks in. My Tb goes footy in Spring (sugars in grass cause it), magnesium helps a great deal with this as does brewers yeast or yeasacc (aids digestion). I would be looking a lot more at diet for the reasons for not coping without boots. Diet is key, then movement and really the trim is just the icing on the cake. A very succesful rehab centre over here now routinely does not trim new arrivals but lets the horses self trim through work and suitable surfaces, this blog has really helpful / searcgable info on it if you fancy a good read Rockley Farm
     
    12-08-2011, 01:48 PM
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April and May are peak times for horses being footy as that is when the grass kicks in. My Tb goes footy in Spring (sugars in grass cause it), magnesium helps a great deal with this as does brewers yeast or yeasacc (aids digestion). I would be looking a lot more at diet for the reasons for not coping without boots. Diet is key, then movement and really the trim is just the icing on the cake. A very succesful rehab centre over here now routinely does not trim new arrivals but lets the horses self trim through work and suitable surfaces, this blog has really helpful / searcgable info on it if you fancy a good read Rockley Farm
She was only sore because of the one farrier, he does terrible work and I really didn't even want to resort to using him but my normal farrier doesn't travel to that area so I figured how could he mess her up in one trim. Not only that but after I moved her she barely had access to grass since the turnout area's don't really grow any. She can do fine without her boots now, it just took a while for her feet to recover from what that farrier did to her feet. Her feet grow faster then she can wear them. She is out most of the time, only stalled for bad weather but the paddocks are pretty muddy most of the time, so the only time they could really get worn would be while riding, which is only a few hours a week(depending on if the girl who is part leasing her comes to ride or not and if other people at the barn ride her, I can only personally ride her once or twice a week)
     
    12-30-2011, 09:09 PM
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Have you considered reducing the dose?

I started supplementing biotin about 4-6 weeks ago, and my horses' hooves are growing much faster. I was thinking of cutting the dose 50% myself.


Just curious, but my aunt used to use that stuff for her hair. It made it thicker and helped provide dramatic regrowth. Have you guys who use it on your horses seen similar mane/tail growth?
     
    12-31-2011, 03:05 AM
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just curious, but my aunt used to use that stuff for her hair. It made it thicker and helped provide dramatic regrowth. Have you guys who use it on your horses seen similar mane/tail growth?
Yes, hooves & hair are the same material & it has been scientifically tested & found to increase rate of growth & strength. But to bsms, you wouldn't see any difference in only 4-6 weeks. It takes around 9 months to start seeing any change. Hooves grow at different rates for a number of reasons. Diet - so seasons - amount of exercise, nutrition, hoof health, etc all have an effect on growth.

OP, if you are already feeding a well balanced diet and the biotin is fed in excess of that, I wouldn't worry about giving it if there's no special need to grow hooves faster. If you're feeding it as the only supplement, I'd change to one that gives the horse all that he needs, rather than one single ingredient. I wouldn't stop giving it purely because you hope to slow hoof growth for financial reasons tho. If your horse needs trimming 4-weekly, that is not at all absurd and while 6 weeks seems to be the norm, I think most horses benefit from more frequent trimming, as it's always best to *maintain* the shape & function rather than wait for it to overgrow & deform before 'correcting'. Re boot fit, hopefully your trimmer will be happy to give you a couple of lessons in maintaining hooves between trims, so that you can 'brush up' with a rasp yourself.
     
    12-31-2011, 10:04 PM
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Yes, hooves & hair are the same material & it has been scientifically tested & found to increase rate of growth & strength. But to bsms, you wouldn't see any difference in only 4-6 weeks. It takes around 9 months to start seeing any change. Hooves grow at different rates for a number of reasons. Diet - so seasons - amount of exercise, nutrition, hoof health, etc all have an effect on growth.

OP, if you are already feeding a well balanced diet and the biotin is fed in excess of that, I wouldn't worry about giving it if there's no special need to grow hooves faster. If you're feeding it as the only supplement, I'd change to one that gives the horse all that he needs, rather than one single ingredient. I wouldn't stop giving it purely because you hope to slow hoof growth for financial reasons tho. If your horse needs trimming 4-weekly, that is not at all absurd and while 6 weeks seems to be the norm, I think most horses benefit from more frequent trimming, as it's always best to *maintain* the shape & function rather than wait for it to overgrow & deform before 'correcting'. Re boot fit, hopefully your trimmer will be happy to give you a couple of lessons in maintaining hooves between trims, so that you can 'brush up' with a rasp yourself.
I talked to my trimmer when she was out last and she doesn't think that stopping the biotin would be detrimental to her feet. She asked about her diet and feels that her diet is complete enough that she shouldn't need it, worst comes to worst I will put her back on it, it's only $13/month from smartpak but she is also on an ulcer supplement,a moody mare supplement and a pre/pro biotic, then alfalfa pellets and TC senior so with all that it starts to get expensive so if she doesn't need the biotin, I'd rather not pay for it. If it slows her hoof growth a little bit that would just be an added bonus When she was at home she would go 8 weeks between trims and never seemed long, but since I started boarding her her feet seem to grow a lot faster.

ETA: My other farrier(does my other 2 horses at home) taught me how to rasp my horses feet, but without a stand I find it very VERY challenging, I've done it when I was having issues getting her boots on just enough to make the boot fit, but I'm still weary of doing much as I don't want to mess up her feet.
     

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