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post #11 of 18 Old 03-03-2013, 11:47 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Dustbunny View Post
Did you have a vet check before you brought him home from the rescue place? How old is this horse?
If he did not have a vet exam I'd do that now before you do anything else. At least you could eliminate pain as the reason for his actions. Also, were you able to get much in the way of history on him?
Yes a vet came out and saw him before my adoption of him...had to sign the paperwork saying so as having a vet come out later this month as well...just can't at the moment due to finances.
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post #12 of 18 Old 03-03-2013, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Khainon View Post
Yes a vet came out and saw him before my adoption of him...had to sign the paperwork saying so as having a vet come out later this month as well...just can't at the moment due to finances.
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Ahhhh, you may have one of 'those' My OTTB gelding was a clown and play you for everything. He was so intelligent and funny, but a pain in the arss. He always kept you guessing and if there was any kind of loophole, he'd find it.

With my farrier, he tried it all. He didn't like to stand still long, if he could help it, so standing for his feet to be done was just beneath pun intended. He had better things to do, like eat and chase the other Anyway, he tried hoping and rearing with his one front foot picked up. With the hind feet, he would stretch his front feet out like he was going to lay down. The farrier would just go with it and hold on. The horse got tired of it very quickly. After that farrier visit or maybe one more try at the next, he no longer did it. BUT you have to win that game first by not giving into him. I also experienced this with him when I first started working him under saddle. And I, thank goodness, had a witness...because the story would otherwise be unbelieveable!.....I saddled him up and had a hold of the lead line. He stretched out and layed down. I turned around to look at my girlfriend with this questioned look in my eyes. As I did, she said that my horse picked his head up off the ground to look at me, and then as soon as I turned back around, he put it back down. It was like he was playing dead! I got him up and lunged him...he was fine. He would try things like that regularly, but realized fast that it was too much energy because he didn't get out of anything. BUT...if he was handled by someone who would give into him...he would run circles around them with his dramitics.
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post #13 of 18 Old 03-03-2013, 12:35 PM
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Do you have a wall to stand next to? That way he would have no where to go.

I would start over like he did know how to pick up his feet. Run your hand down his leg. No bad reaction? Treat. Pick up foot, quickly set down. No bad reaction? Treat. Gradually increase time. Do this next to a wall, so he has a greater chance of success.

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post #14 of 18 Old 03-03-2013, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Khainon View Post
my one fear with him falling that he has an old bow in his left front leg...hes sound...but id hate for anything to happen to irritate it...thus..why i am terrified of him falling over...just consider it "new parent syndrome" i know i need to get out of it..but its easier said than done lol
He is not going to fall over but if he does, let him. He will do it once and when figure out it wasn't such a good idea. Sounds like his feet haven't really been worked with. Take a soft lead rope and loop it around his fetlock. Pull the leg up and hold it. 3-4 seconds. Let it down (before he started to take it away). Pick it up again. Keep adding time to how long he has to hold it up. Using a rope is easier on your back, you can work farther away from the dangerous front end and he can fight you and you won't lose hold of the leg.

Another consideration is does he have sore hocks?
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post #15 of 18 Old 03-03-2013, 12:42 PM
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I keep hold of the foot. Once the foot is up, it's mine until I let it go. I've had horses fall over before because they will lean until they fall, and I won't let go. They don't do it again.

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post #16 of 18 Old 03-03-2013, 12:52 PM
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I agree that it sounds like he has you all figured out, but luckily, you can fix that. It also sounds like he could have had a bad experience when he was young. Maybe he was roughly handled or he could have had an injury that required a lot of treatment... who knows. My horse used to be a bit of a booger with his front feet, too. He didn't jerk them away or anything, he just would NOT give them to me. I had to practically knock him off balance in order to get one foot off the ground. This is what I did with him...

Approach like there is nothing wrong, like you don't expect him to give you a fight. Just pet his neck, withers, shoulder, and eventually his leg. Talk calmly to him, reassure him. Once you work your way to his hoof, stop. Just stand back up and give him a scratch on the withers. I'd keep doing this for at least 5 to 10 minutes. That way, he will start to associate you touching his legs and hooves as a good thing that he actually wants.

After that, work your way down his leg again, but this time, when you get down to the chestnut (the big callus looking bump on the inside of his upper leg), start putting pressure on it by squeezing it. This wont hurt him at all, it has the same affect as when your doctor hits your knee with a plexor and makes it jerk. Squeezing the chestnut should make him at least lift his foot up a little. When he does, let go immediately and praise him. Practice that for another 5-10 minutes, always letting go right when he picks his foot up. Don't forget to go back to just scratching and petting him, too. That will be his favorite part!

Eventually, start picking up his foot when he lifts it, hold it for a few seconds, then let go. Gradually hold it longer and longer, then start brushing it, then picking it... just go slow and always always be reassuring and calm. Don't let on that you are expecting a fight or else he will pick up on that and give you one. If he tries to pull away, hang on until he gives in even a little bit. The tiniest relaxation counts and once he does it, let go. He will learn that when he stops resisting, you will let him go. Just remember to be calm and patient. Even if he is being really naughty, patience is the key. Don't yell or raise your arms, just stand still and let him act like an ass by himself. Once he is calm, start over.

I'm not saying you will see immediate results and you'll be able to clean his fronts without a fuss in the same session, but if you are patient and work with him on this for a few weeks, he should come around and give you his feet willingly. I don't even have to touch my horse's feet anymore, I just say "Give it here" and he picks it right up and holds it for me.

Good luck! If you need more help, just send me a message!

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post #17 of 18 Old 03-03-2013, 08:21 PM
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If you're worried about him falling over and injuring himself, do it on soft ground. I used to put a soft rope around mine's ankle, and make sure I didn't let go!
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post #18 of 18 Old 03-04-2013, 12:12 AM Thread Starter
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well his feet are fine..his actions are pure avoidance...he even did it with my farrier ..he just has not been trained correctly to lift his feet on that particular farrier..bless his soul..handled it well..he is not afraid to discipline bad behaviour..and after his disciplining (btw his discilpining is giving him a couple whacks on the rump with the cotton lead..then running him in circles..which i used to do with my larger horses..why i havent done it now is beyond me) boy behaved for the most part...well..other than almost crapping on my farrier's head....yes..that was embarassing >.> my farrier loves his feet btw..he says they are hard as rocks and grow slow..scheduled to see him again in 10 weeks (also dont worry..the lead rope was soft and didnt hurt my horse..was just a way to get his attention...shoulda seen how insulted he looked later on though..was amusing)

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