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        12-20-2012, 03:40 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    Most regular farriers who just do a trim do what's called a flat (or pasture) trim. Basically they're trimming the hoof the same way as they would if they were going to go ahead and put a shoe back on. This means that there is little hoof wall in contact with the ground, so all the weight is on the sole of the foot with no support at all from the hoof wall.
    It is important to find a farrier who is trained in actual barefoot trimming, as this is more involved than the regular flat trim that you are currently getting. You will definitely be able to see a difference. :)
         
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        12-20-2012, 03:43 PM
      #12
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    Originally Posted by KateS    
    I will find out where to send a sample of our hay and see what it comes back with. Right now (winter, with no work) she is getting half alfalfa hay half grass hay with free access to salt and minerals. But without knowing what the hay is testing at, there isn't a way to know if she is getting what she needs.

    Makes sense what is being said about the under run heels. As for her feet being sore outside, she has all winter to get used to being barefoot before I start riding her in spring. Its funny but now with everything being totally frozen, she isn't sore on the hard ground or ice, but in summer the gravel or rocks are too much for her.
    My tb is sore in summer because of our grass and the sugars in it, but rock crunching in winter :) Alfalfa is strongly linked to footiness in some BF horses. This forum is very helpful on diet issues Phoenixhorse :: Index
         
        12-20-2012, 03:44 PM
      #13
    Trained
    Im also for waiting for loosie or Trinity
    I see a typical farrier trim, flares, luckily he left most of the toe callus.
    Get a good barefoot trimmer.
    Equi-Analytical Laboratories - Profiling Feed for Better Nutrition does hay testing.
    The ripples...could be a lot of things....imbalanced feet, feed changes, sometimes different hay or coming off grass, certain diseases, all cause these.
    Adding zinc and copper is a good idea, depending on the hay analysis.
    Pretty girl, looooove the green eyes
         
        12-20-2012, 05:08 PM
      #14
    Yearling
    How long has this horse been out of shoes? How long were they on before being pulled? All summer?

    Certainly have some quarter flaring that looks like this horse hasn't been out of shoes very long to me. I see brand new straight growth starting at the top of the quarters there. The ripples should be looked into. I don't see anything too alarming here but there is room for alot of improvement yet to come.

    The trim is ok, needs tweaking IMO. Back feet: Toes need beveled back enough to stand the foot up a hair off the run under heels. Prob need to bevel close to the white line a time or two. Quarters need to be beveled stronger and/or dressed from the top to stop their pull on the heels. I usually dress flare from the top when its half way down the foot and only bevel and take just a har of flare from the tiop while its still high up the foot. The heels need drawn back and down to the widest part of the foot (clean out the heel triangle/bars up, don't let it build up and grow over there or you will get corns) to get them growing in straighter.

    Fronts arent too bad but I see some imbalance there too. Since this trim is almost 3 weeks old tho, it could be from wear.


    Bottom line is she has some things that need to grow out to find optimum health for her feet. She may be sensitive while she recovers her foot health and depending on where she lives and works, she may still be sensitive. It depends. How does she live? Did she come up sore with shoes or without? If she is sensitive soled, Id dry her soles with a hair dryer for a minute and apply Durasole. Replete a couple times trhe first day and then do it every couple days and see how she feels in a week or two.
         
        12-20-2012, 05:57 PM
      #15
    Foal
    Thanks for the links Clava and Desert, I will definitely look at them and try and learn as much as I can.

    Desert, (your just jealous that your horse doesn't walk around with green eyes haha)

    Trinity - she had her shoes pulled the second week of September and has been trimmed twice since then. I would like to have her trimmed every 4-5 weeks, but my farrier doesn't seem to have time and it ends up being more like 6-8 weeks. She got her shoes put on at the end of January. Normally what I do is keep her at home till January, then I board her where there is a nice indoor arena till March or April. Then she is at home all summer till January. This year, she won't be boarded at all as until she is totally healthy, I will not be riding her. Right now, as it is winter here, the ground is totally hard with about 2 inches of loose snow on top of packed snow.

    Thanks for the detailed description. I am really trying to learn about trimming (though I will leave it for professionals) so that I can ask questions from the trimmer and actually understand what needs to be done.

    When I originally put shoes on her (summer of 3yr old year) she was inside board at night and outside during the day. She had been ridden all winter/spring in an indoor arena with super nice ground. Looking back, she was likely sore because her feet weren't tough enough. As of right now, she is at home outside as previously mentioned and she is totally fine on the hard ground. I'm not too sure how she would be on more uneven/gravel right now, but I don't have to worry about that at the moment. I am totally fine with barefoot and from what I have read/researched, it is superior to having shoes on, but I am a little worried that if she is to tender to run barrels barefoot, I will have to put shoes on again in summer.
         
        12-20-2012, 06:44 PM
      #16
    Yearling
    Exactly what I thought. I can tell she was in shoes awhile from the flaring and starkly straight growth above it and only recently out of them. She does need to be trimmed more often IMO. She is already at a place where she should be touched up in another week and a half to two weeks in those photos.

    The good news is, she looks like she is going to have an amazing foot when all that old stuff grows out. Nice upright walls and a healthy wide frog and back of the foot.
         
        12-20-2012, 06:52 PM
      #17
    Foal
    You may have said this already, but do you find that she had low heels? I have a problem where if I put on bell boots, they hit the ground every step and rub her raw. I would be of the opinion that her heels need to be a bit higher. Nothing drastic, but they seem too low to me.
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        12-20-2012, 07:06 PM
      #18
    Yearling
    Her heels are under run. When the quarters flare outwards, it pulls the heels forward running them under. Low but upright heels are what you want. There is a difference.

    Once she grows all this out, I think she is going to have good feet. If the ridges keep growing tho, you may need to tweak her diet or something. What is she eating?
         
        12-20-2012, 07:20 PM
      #19
    Foal
    She is currently getting half grass hay and half alfalfa. When she is in training or competition she gets straight alfalfa. And always has minerals and salt. I'm looking at our alfalfa testing and it tested as follows. It is a NIR Analysis if that means anything. I'm going to contact the testing place and get them to test for zinc, copper and sugars.

    25.1% crude protein, 1.8% calcium, .31% phosphorus, .41% magnesium, 1.89% potassium, .09% sodium.
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        12-20-2012, 07:34 PM
      #20
    Foal
    The grass hay is a nice green Timothy grass mix with 1 1/2 inch Timothy heads mold free and dust free. The alfalfa is pure alfalfa 175 relative feed value 25% protein again dust and mold free.
    She is getting about 30 - 35 lbs. Of the mix of alfalfa and grass per day.
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