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        12-06-2013, 02:20 AM
      #51
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Kayella    
    Oof, those pictures made me grimace. Those honestly look like laminitic feet to me. Her posture in the first picture of your third set of photos looks laminitic,

    She's got contracted heels and her frog needs to make contact with the ground to strengthen up. I'd be treating her for thrush, also.
    She's standing like that again, two weeks after the trim. I tried going over her toes but discovered a bruise in the hoof wall and she was sore about being rasped there so I left off.

    I should have taken notice of your comment about thrush before, Kayella. The RF frog is really thrushy, but I hadn't realised because it's not powdery or peeling. The frog is murky black and rubbery, like a cross between licorice and wine gums. This is diseased tissue, isn't it? I'm treating it with athletes foot cream and antibiotic, see how she goes. I suspect she's had thrush for years which explains her sad little frogs.
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        12-08-2013, 04:30 PM
      #52
    Foal
    Yet another post of mine - this poor mare is driving me to despair. This morning she was badly lame in the OTHER foreleg, with soft swelling on the sides of her cannon bone above the fetlock and heat and pain in her heels. The odd thing is that she had exactly the same symptoms with the nail episode at the beginning of this thread. But obviously there's no nail anywhere in sight now. I suspect that the nail actually wasn't responsible for the acute lameness she showed then, but that something else is going on and has just repeated in the other leg.
    I don't suppose anyone has any helpful ideas about these sudden acute lameness attacks? I am feeling quite bewildered.
    I started treating both her feet for deep sulcus thrush four days ago - but I doubt that has anything to do with this. And yesterday I took her out for a walk on the lead, with the idea that she needs to move around to open up that contracted hoof. She was too lame to do much beyond a short hobble, and she stumbled a few times. Her heels on both feet seemed really sore. Surely the thrush treatment should help her instead of
    making her sorer?!
    Please don't tell me to get the vet again. Last time he was only really interested in the xrays. Still not sure why he bothered examining her
    When he based his diagnosis
    Wexclusively on the xrays.
    R leg.
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        12-08-2013, 08:29 PM
      #53
    Trained
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    a walk on the lead, with the idea that she needs to move around to open up that contracted hoof. She was too lame to do much beyond a short hobble, and she stumbled a few times. Her heels on both feet seemed really sore. Surely the thrush treatment should help her instead of
    making her sorer?!
    I don't believe the thrush treatment - unless maybe it's too caustic - would be exacerbating the situation any. But exercise is only good if she can move comfortably & therefore properly. As her feet are already weak & sensitive, she will be at further risk of stone bruising, as well as further damage to extensor process, etc from 'tippy-toeing'. If she's too sensitive to use her heels, then I'd try padding them. Even just foam with (a few acres of) duct tape should do the trick for short walks and will enable you to see if you can get her comfortable before outlaying on other options. I'd wait for the inflammation to go down first though. Did the vet give you any bute?

    Re upright pasterns, angles, etc, it does look, from the rads that they are a bit too upright for her, that her heels are perhaps a bit low, bony column-wise. From that point of view, I'd be thinking padding/wedging under her frogs(not walls) is important for that purpose too. I'd play around with different thicknesses & densities of foam to see what she's most comfortable with.
         
        12-09-2013, 03:43 PM
      #54
    Foal
    I am giving her bute for the inflammation and today she was better. Actually bucked three times across the dirt yard which is a first.
    (Then she limped over to greet me).
    I have low foam pads taped under her frogs. I will try with some thicker ones that actually wedge her up a bit and see. Loosie, when you say that her heel looks low, bony column wise, is that a caudal version of a mild founder? That her bony structures have sunk within the hoof capsule? (Seem to remember reading something about this in hoofrehab.) Or am I way off track on this?
    Her contracted foot is looking better with the thrush treatment (Pete Ramey's goo - nothing caustic) but the other foot is very sore, both sole and frog sulcus. I think she must have stone-bruised it the other day when she stumbled.
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        12-09-2013, 07:40 PM
      #55
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    Originally Posted by Bondre    
    Loosie, when you say that her heel looks low, bony column wise, is that a caudal version of a mild founder? That her bony structures have sunk within the hoof capsule?
    Looking at the rads, she could have some 'sinking' happening, especially given the apparently highish heels, compared to the rads. Hard to tell accurately without hooves being marked for rads. But no, I mean the palmer (ground surface) angle of P3 looks like it is relatively ground parallel & the caudal(rear) of P3 should be raised(somewhere around 3-5 degrees on av) in relation to the toe. So this is why taking excess heel walls may be completely wrong for her & wedging under her frogs can improve that situation.
         
        12-09-2013, 07:57 PM
      #56
    Weanling
    Sorry, I can't tell anything from those X rays- way too small. You really need full sized X rays to be able to see details.

    I like the trim you did. It looks like a good starting point. Do you have a copy of Pete Ramey's book? It is excellent and I highly recommend it.

    I'm not sure how often you are trimming, but I would rasp and do some minor trimming every 2 weeks. It may help the horse be more comfortable, as you won't need to take as much off and the horse won't need to stand on 3 legs for as long.

    I would keep doing what you are doing for a few months and once the horse gets more comfortable, you may need to lower the heels some. Horses with contracted hooves get very tall heels- even if they don't look that tall.

    It may take 6 months to a year to see some improvement.
         
        12-10-2013, 03:55 PM
      #57
    Foal
    4horses, I go over her every 2 weeks and touch her up. As you said, it's easier on us both that way.
    I've got Pete Ramey's book on my Xmas wish list!
    I'll try and be more patient in my desire to see improvement.

    Loosie, I see what you mean, I think I'm starting to understand this. Is the low angle of P3 why her collateral grooves aren't very deep? (I thought they were deep until I read on hoofrehab that they should be 1" or more above ground surface in the heels; hers are only 3/4" but are narrow which makes them look deeper).
    I'll let you know how we go with the foam pad experiments. I'm not putting anything fixed on her feet (like the steward clogs) until I sort out the thrush.
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