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post #1 of 56 Old 01-22-2013, 01:02 PM Thread Starter
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Squaring all 4 hooves?

I don't have pictures yet but I will try to remember tonight. So the ground has been mostly ice for the last month. I haven't been able to ride hardly at all and when I do it is a walk and maybe if I'm lucky a bit of trotting. But Lizzy has now squared off the toes on all 4 hooves. In fall it was just the front and when the farrier was out we determined she will need to be shod in front all riding season due to her wearing faster than they grow, she had also worn a flat spot on the toe on the bottom.

Well now it is all 4. Farrier will be out on the 30th at 9 weeks. We usually go 8 but due to scheduling issues can't until 9 weeks this time. Figured it wasn't a huge deal because we really can't ride. The backs are practically worn to the line. There really isn't much of anything to trim from any of her hooves. She is also only outside for 6 hours a day unless bad weather than she stays inside. So if it is the ice she really isn't on it to much.

No lameness or anything of that sort. She also is never on pasture so she gets a vit/min supp year round. So I wouldn't think her hooves would really grow slower in winter because her diet stays the same.

So my worry is that she will have to be shod on all 4? I really don't want that to be. Boots are out, we ride way, way to much to mess with that. Plus we do riding thru variable terrain. Please tell me you think this is because of the ice and I won't have to shoe all 4.

PS: I am impatient and can't wait to hear what the farrier has to say so I'm asking here first.
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Does she drag her feet or paw a lot?
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I don't think she drags her feet. I have watched for that as that was my first thought. On pavement she has clean, even clip clops, or well on the little pavement we can find. And she never paws.
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What is happening is the rest of the hoof is growing out in between trimming and not wearing the excess growth away. Its the exact opposite of what you are thinking. Your horse is self trimming and beveling her toe which is a good thing but the rest of the hoof is growing too long.
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I'll be interested to see other responses. The only time I've seen significant squaring is (sometimes) on our youngest mare riding on asphalt because she will drag her hind feet a tad at times. I've never seen it on the fronts except for pawing horses.
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I think I'm experiencing the same thing that you're describing (with the same weather conditions). Here's a picture of one front foot on my mare- square on front, flared on the sides. Farrier coming this Thursday.

I got some similar feedback as to what Trinity mentioned on a separate thread I posted for my mare.
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I haven't seen any flaring. Last time the farrier was out was when he noticed she wore the bottom of her toe (both fronts) pretty flat and there was no flaring then. There is barely anything past the line all the way around and in the toe it is now worn to the line. If I saw significant growth all around then I would assume they are just too long but I'm not seeing that right now.

Egrogan - that is a little bit more pronounced than my mare's squaring issue.

I would love to have the farrier watch her move but we have nothing inside and everything is so icy right now I know she would trot funny anyway.

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The proof is after the trim if the farrier is a good trimmer. If the foot goes back to looking normal right after, you know it was simply too long in between trims and the rough ground is wearign away the growth at the toe.

Rear foot dragging is something totally different and will show wear on top of the toe, not just the bottom.

Post pictures if you are really concerned.

ETA usually horses that square their toes don't flare much. Horses that tend to flare usually just flare and wont square. Hmmmm that rhymes lol
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I know my farrier is good and I remember him mentioning something about the last time he didn't have much to trim and tried to get most of the squareness out. Somehow I always get stuck gathering everyone else's horses for these things so the bf was talking to him the most.

I will get pictures tonight and either post tonight or in the morning since I have class that goes pretty late.

But shouldn't there be growth past the line then? I mean they started squaring on the front way before there was really any growth about 4 weeks ago or so. Bars don't seem to have grown at all either but it is very hard to get every last bit of ice/poo out of there. Last time I asked if I needed to have them done more often and then everyone else would just follow my schedule since I make the appointments anyway but he said there wasn't much to trim all around and she had worn the fronts down to much, especially on the sole.
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Farrier sounds like he knows what he's doing, certainly is conservative about trimming, so I'd rely upon his judgment.

If you don't feel that you can rely upon his judgment, you really need a new farrier.
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