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    01-23-2013, 12:34 AM
  #21
Trained
What type of ground is she on? My mare had odd wearing/shaping in and of the toe. My new filly - ditto. They are in deep sand for the most part (hauled in). I did some research a ways back and the answer is obvious...they "dig" into the sand w their toe to get traction. My point is that sometimes it is something so obvious that you miss it. :)
     
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    01-23-2013, 09:25 AM
  #22
Green Broke
Ok I have pictures but they will need to be in two threads. The front does have some that can be trimmed off but the backs don't look like it to me. I did my best with the angles but Lizzy dear was in heat and it was -13 outside so my fingers were frozen. My biggest concern with the front is that buldge at the toe on the bottom. It is very significant when you see it in person. That is what my farrier was concerned about last time but it wasn't nearly this bad.

Oh and she is on really hard icy ground 6 hours a day otherwise she is in a nice cleanly bedded stall the rest of the time. I haven't ridden since Saturday and that was just walking around because of the ice. I am not sure exactly how she lands on her feet, it looks like it's flat footed. But it has been the same farrier since last June and I am only having this problem now. She was shod for 8 weeks at the end of last summer (vet recommendation) as we had an issue with her soles being very squishy and she was on and off lame. But her soles seem to have gotten better after the shoes and she hasn't taken a lame step since end of July and her shoes were on from then until end of September. She also doesn't trip hardly at all. Only time is when she's not paying attention and we kind of step into holes or such out in the fields as it isn't exactly completely flat. Oh and I will say when she did have shoes there was really no wear on the front of the shoes. Just the normal from mostly rode riding and a lot on gravel but nothing in any one spot.

And I always ask a million questions when the farrier is here and he takes the time to explain everything and why he is doing what he is doing and shows me how to fix the little things in between trims if I wanted to do it myself.

I believe the pictures should go fronts then backs then the other views.
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    01-23-2013, 09:27 AM
  #23
Green Broke
And the other views. Front, front, back, back. The last picture it almost looks like she might be dragging her foot? There looks like a flat spot on the wall?
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    01-23-2013, 11:18 AM
  #24
Super Moderator
I know a lot of people support MSM etc but in clinical trials the results have never been really well proven
I don't want to get into a debate on this - just my own thoughts
I've had arthritis myself for years and have tried all these things and seen no improvement
If Lizzie is feeling stiff in the cold weather - and not working and getting the exercise - especially as she doesn't have any acreage to have a run around to help keep her joints moving then you might have to consider something like Previcox (gentler on the stomach than most pain meds)
     
    01-23-2013, 11:38 AM
  #25
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by jaydee    
I know a lot of people support MSM etc but in clinical trials the results have never been really well proven
I don't want to get into a debate on this - just my own thoughts
I've had arthritis myself for years and have tried all these things and seen no improvement
If Lizzie is feeling stiff in the cold weather - and not working and getting the exercise - especially as she doesn't have any acreage to have a run around to help keep her joints moving then you might have to consider something like Previcox (gentler on the stomach than most pain meds)
Well the vet said msm sometimes works and sometimes doesn't just depends on the horse, but it was cheap enough to try. I can get a prescription joint stuff from the vet for $30 a month so I might have to go that route now. I'm sure the farrier will be able to tell if she seems stiff at all. I will have him watch her move around and see what he thinks. The vet should also be out next month for spring shots and everything. Almost all paddocks are icy hard ground so none of the horses have been running or moving much. That is why I put her in at night, I don't want her getting injured out there and that way she can eat all her alfalfa by herself :) I will look into the Previcox.
     
    01-23-2013, 11:51 AM
  #26
Weanling
I am far far away from knowing even squat about hooves so not even sure of what I'm seeing but in a couple of pictures I see reddish marks that looks like bruising?
What is that?
     
    01-23-2013, 11:54 AM
  #27
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by acorn    
I am far far away from knowing even squat about hooves so not even sure of what I'm seeing but in a couple of pictures I see reddish marks that looks like bruising?
What is that?
She had shoes so that is discoloration/possible slight bruising from where the nails were and it's almost grown out now. You can only see it since she has white hooves. She only had front shoes on late summer.

And I just noticed it is on her back hooves too, sooooo no clue lol. She only had front shoes.
     
    01-23-2013, 12:47 PM
  #28
Super Moderator
I'm no hoof expert but that bulging on the sole combined with bruising on the outside looks wrong to me - the two seem to be related.
My lot have shoes on for a few months of the summer as they do a lot of work on rough stony ground and some roads and they begin to get footsore - I'm someone else that finds boots more trouble than good - but I've never seen bruising like that after they get the shoes taken off
The bulge seems to protrude below the level of the rest of the sole which would make her 'rock' on to the toe when she puts her hoof down and that would cause the toe to wear
Has she maybe had bad laminitis in the past? It looks to me as if the pedal bone/coffin bone has rotated and is pushing to sole downwards at that point
     
    01-23-2013, 01:06 PM
  #29
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by jaydee    
I'm no hoof expert but that bulging on the sole combined with bruising on the outside looks wrong to me - the two seem to be related.
My lot have shoes on for a few months of the summer as they do a lot of work on rough stony ground and some roads and they begin to get footsore - I'm someone else that finds boots more trouble than good - but I've never seen bruising like that after they get the shoes taken off
The bulge seems to protrude below the level of the rest of the sole which would make her 'rock' on to the toe when she puts her hoof down and that would cause the toe to wear
Has she maybe had bad laminitis in the past? It looks to me as if the pedal bone/coffin bone has rotated and is pushing to sole downwards at that point
Actually when I look closer the bruising is not from the nails. On the front there is some darker spots near the bottom, that is from the nails (it's almost black color), the purple color is way to high up to be from the nails and it is also on the rear hooves too, along with that bulge just not as pronounced as the front.

She did have laminitis but it wasn't bad. It was caused by the flax, which is why I can't bring myself to try it again. Vet and farrier didn't feel there was any rotation (no x-rays as they both felt it wasn't necissary). She hasn't taken a lame step since those two weeks. She gets no grain whatsoever, sugar intake is limited and she is never on pasture. I also ask my farrier about this everytime since he is the one that mentioned it in the first place. I'm going to ask my farrier about it and if he and the vet feels it's necissary we will do x-rays when he is out next month.

I just find it so hard to believe that that would be it. The buldge started this fall, (again no grass, she is on a dirt lot) and has gotten way worse the last 4 weeks. So I don't know if it was just wearing down before from all the rough riding we did?
     
    01-23-2013, 03:44 PM
  #30
Yearling
See that ridge on the sole around the toe? Shouldn't be there. IMO, when I see that kind of ridge pop up, its usually in a hoof with a thin sole. This horse is starting to develop a distorted/long toe and under run heel and has flaring at the quarters too. The feet ARE long and the sole is tricking your eye. She is wearign away the excess toe trying to get her breakover back to where it should be. Luckily, she has a nice wide frog. She really needs a trim here.

It does look like she might be dragging her back feet a tad. What is the ground like? Is it frozen and hoof pockmarked and hard to navigate? That can cause any horse to drag a bit trying to navigate over all that.

The bruising is old news. You can just see it because its a white foot. I seriously doubt flax caused the laminitus unless you fed alot of it somehow. Id say there was another trigger.
     

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