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        07-19-2014, 01:07 AM
      #81
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    [QUOTE=Kayella;5828882]I showed the rads to my farrier, who has 35-40 years experience. Despite the fact that they are not the greatest quality, my farrier also sees no sign of navicular. He saw the bone spurs, which he believe are actually on the extensor process(top ridge of coffin bone) rather than the navicular bone. He said he can be fixed with propper trimming and balancing. :)[/QUOTE]

    Ask him just how trimming is going to correct it? Is the growth just going to melt away?
         
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        07-19-2014, 01:12 AM
      #82
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    Originally Posted by aharlov    
    True, he was rounded up as a yearling but they aren't rounded up "every year"... HMAs are only rounded up when the BLM decides; my guy came from Robert's Mountain NV, which was rounded up in 2001 then not again until 2008, when my guy was gathered.
    That was interesting, so they are not rounded up for 7 years?
    I thought the BLM had a yearly Control over the Heards.
         
        07-19-2014, 07:32 AM
      #83
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by amigoboy    
    That was interesting, so they are not rounded up for 7 years?
    I thought the BLM had a yearly Control over the Heards.
    They decide which herds need to be rounded up throughout NV, CA, WY, MO, Etc (there are a handful of states that have mustangs, and each state has different "herd management areas" that they decide if there are "too many" mustangs for the land to sustain or not).
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        07-19-2014, 12:42 PM
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    I don't think in this horses case its really such a case of any growth being taken away - its more a case of allowing the heels and that part of the foot to grow back after they were too aggressively cut away which put him at a totally wrong angle - probably put pressure on everything inside the hoof and on the tendons and ligaments in his legs
    I can't really remember what his feet looked like now but I don't think his toes were too long - at least not to start with???
    Getting on top of the thrush is also important - if he still has it
    I also second the Lymes test - it might explain his odd behavior at times
         
        07-20-2014, 10:47 PM
      #85
    Weanling
    My horse was diagnosed with navicular several years ago, confirmed by radiographs. Minor lesions noted on both fronts, but mainly the right front. It was a visiting farrier working on someone else's horse that saw her working in the round pen and asked to evaluate her, then recommended she be seen at a lameness clinic.

    Once she was diagnosed we took her xrays back to the farrier who looked at her, and he and his partner examined them and discussed treatment with me, which included short-term application of plastic shoes while they adjusted her pastern angles a little.

    We had some success getting her back to trail sound, even though he had secondary issues like arthritis due to compensation and is just now recover from major bar malfunction. ("New" farrier gave her incredible relief from the navicular but let other areas of her foot go. I eventually switched trimmers again, and then started learning about trimming myself.)

    The current situation is that she is not real sound for anything but toodling around the pasture a little, but I cannot say what the cause is at this time. It could be navicular degeneration, it could be that in an effort to get her bars back under control her heels are now shorter than she is really comfortable with. Her bars are now coming back under control, so I will likely play around with allowing her a little more heel to see how that changes her comfort level. I have not had radiographs done again, and probably will not. She is 21 now, and if trimming practices and a maintenance dose of Previcoxx do not keep her comfortably pasture sound I will put her down.

    So, that is our tale. Not sure if there is anything in there for you, but you never know. I am willing to answer questions, feel free.
         
        07-20-2014, 11:40 PM
      #86
    Weanling
    Thanks greenhaven for sharing! Oy... every navicular story is different, huh?

    I had a consult today.
    So consult... some bullet points:

    *lamer than when the vet was here, which is weird because I have not done ANYTHING with him since the vet.
    *Had a pulse and heat in his front left (lame foot).
    *hoof tested positive (For the first time!!) to the back two thirds of the frog (navicular area)
    *Happy, heel first landings.
    *GRAVEL CRUNCHING on rocks, didn't take even a slight misstep.
    *was fine today when turning around in the barn aisle (he used to get gimpy), and also was fine turning around on gravel.
    *Was fine (and always has been fine) walking downhill.
    *she cut out a good amount of thrush, but it wasn't too deep
    *Didn't put glue ons yet because she was suspicious of some areas of the frog
    *He was most comfortable in an easyboot with frog support pads in them, but by no means "sound"...

    So she feels bad. She said since I have been letting his hoof grow, he has enough hoof that he "should be sounder" :( :(.... She also said she has NEVER seen a case like him (NO ONE HAS SEEN BONE SPURS ON THE MEDIAL/LATERAL! WHYY!). She kept apologizing and saying how she has rehabbed DOZENS of navicular horses, but doesn't know what to tell me. She said she has never come across a case she didn't rehab, but he is just such an anomaly.
    She said his feet look near perfect on the outside and there is really nothing she would fix in her trim (now that his hoof is a little longer!) except maybe the SLIGHTEST imbalance medially/laterally. :(

    I am also poulticing the foot, because heck, why not. Desperate times to get my guy comfortable.
         
        07-21-2014, 12:21 AM
      #87
    Green Broke
    So he's lamer and more sensitive but less sensitive just walking on his own. Weird.

    Could it just be soft tissue in his hoof?
         
        07-21-2014, 12:42 AM
      #88
    Weanling
    Yogi - So he is lamer than he has been, but he is not "ouchy" at all since his hoof grew out from his trim. He walks out confidently, it's just the trotting that you see the lameness.

    The consult woman said it could be soft tissue injuries FROM the bone spurs. Which stinks, which means any time I ride him in the future I would be scare of messing that up.. but I rode him pretty hard for 4 months, doing all kind of weird things and circles and stuff during training, and he never even had a hint of lameness :(
         
        07-21-2014, 01:25 AM
      #89
    Green Broke
    No, I got you.

    Re-soft tissue. I knew a horse that was "off" and when I went to trot him out for the vet I was like "omg this horse is not "off"" he was head bobbing lame. Saw the lameness specialist who said it was soft tissue and he was off and on stall rest, bute, different shoes, etc. He would get slightly better and get worked some then get worse again. (His owner was/is a rather heavy lady and this is not a weight carrying type of horse.. the trainer would ride him lightly once or twice and then she'd get on...) Ended up being sold from this boarding/"show" barn to a nice family as a backyard horse. If sound they'd ride if not he would be a loved pasture ornament. Perfect home. Apparently they've been riding him (even the taller father) and he's been perfectly sound. He just needed a change of pace.

    Idk if this is relevant at all, just wanted to share. Have you had multiple vets look at him?
         
        07-21-2014, 07:29 AM
      #90
    Weanling
    Weird, he came from a 24/7 turn out mustang sanctuary type thing, sound. I had him at a fancy show barn (I don't show- it was free board in exchange for some work!!) and he was sound. Then I move him to my front yard basically (I board on a horse property), sound for 4 works until a trail ride I went on :( was ouchy then lame :(

    I haven't had another vet look, but I have had a few farriers and trimmers look. No one has seen spurs where his are :(
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