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        10-31-2013, 04:05 PM
    Thank you everyone for the help! I will see what I can do about getting some pictures posted of his feet. I did talk to my vet and she suggested x-rays so I am going to see about getting him in. The farrier had also said that it looked like he could have foundered at one time but he was not for sure.
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        11-01-2013, 10:54 AM
    Maya, I haven't been on here in quite some time and now happened to see your post. Im hoping the little I have to share will help. I have a paint who has extremely thin soles on his fronts determined by xrays. I have had numerous farriers over the years and they all want to jack up his heels and say we will do this for a year and then he can go bare again. We never have made it a year because the horse is uncomfortable. 2 weeks ago I found an amish farrier way out in the middle of no where. He evaluated my horse, listened to all I told him of the 10 year history, he put on a set of shoes and equipack, my horse is 100% sound, I have never seen him look so good and so happy, he is doing great. I wish of course I could fast forward and tell you the outcome of this. Due to my horses thin soles, if he has to have shoes year round forever then so be it. He is so comfortable, I wish I would have found someone years ago who simply wanted to shoe and protect his soles. Hope this helps you.
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        11-09-2013, 11:35 PM
    I was unable to post pictures directly to this page but I did post his x-rays in my brand horses under Sonny. Take a look and tell me what somebody thinks. I am thinking about trying the Equipack on his feet. What do you guys think? He bruises easily on his feet.
        11-10-2013, 07:58 PM
    The Xrays pictures are really poor quality and there were no reference markers placed on the feet by the vet to locate some very important reference points .These would have included a wire placed on the front hoof wall with it's top end exactly at the hairline in order to determine how much the coffin bone is sunk inside these feet. They look sunk a lot from what I CAN see. AND the vet should have placed either a short thumbtack or BB at the frog apex to measure forward from when the farrier shoes the horse so the breakover can be set correctly.

    BUT what I CAN see is a badly sunk bone, NO sole to speak of, a stretched flared toe. Basically a foundered foot with sinking instead of rotation. Not a very good scenario and some hooves in serious trouble. His condition though may not have ever been from laminitis. It may be from weak feet combined with bad feed and stabling management, and/or bad shoeing for years but who knows. A lot of high level show horses , particularly if they were big time halter horses, are given growth steroids early in life, over fed, kept in little stalls, and and this is the unfortunate ad often permanent result.

    Anyway.... , this horse MUST be put in some kind of protective shoeing package until he can grow some sole under that bone.Tge longer he goes unprotected the more he is damaging the bone and otherwise likely will just have continued sole bruising and pain.

    Glue on shoes may be necessary if the hoofwall is compromised too much. The toe is extremely stretched forward so the breakover of the shoe must be moved back under the foot . I would recommend the farrier hoof test the frog and soles GENTLY and add frog and sole support material anywhere the foot can take it comfortably to help hold that bone up in the foot and try to stimulate some sole growth.

    If you can get a farrier who has a lot of success in shoeing foundered horses, get them because the farrier who does this horse is going to need a higher level of skill than most ordinary farriers. Bless you for taking him in, but this is going to be a long road. And frankly given that your vet did not bother to place some very informative simple markers on the feet (a well known practice for vets) you might want to get a second opinion vet and some better quality X-rays for the farrier.
        11-10-2013, 08:11 PM
    When the bones inside the hoof sink and founder isnt the cause ,does the hoof take on the apreance of a foundered hoof?

    Or does the hoof look normal?
        11-10-2013, 09:07 PM

    Sounds like, as with Trinity, Patty's another one that if she beats me to it, pretty much all I want to say is 'agree with the above'! Such a pity about the feet not being marked for the rads.

    Yes, absolutely this horse needs some protection/support under his feet. And toes backed up. I think Equipack is one possible good solution, but think it depends on environment & state of his feet with regard to infection, as to whether I'd want a 'fixed' sort of solution like that, or whether padded boots may be better, that you can remove daily to clean & dry.

    When the bones inside the hoof sink and founder isnt the cause ,does the hoof take on the apreance of a foundered hoof?
    It IS 'founder', regardless whether the bone 'sinks' &/or 'rotates' in relation to the capsule. On my definition, anything that inflames & damages the laminae is laminitis and there are a wide range of different specifics, such as mechanical changes. I think Patty is meaning laminitis as being necessarily metabolic/diet related(?) and 'founder' meaning the mechanical changes of sinking or rotation, which are common in conjunction/because of metabolic probs, but that's not the only cause.

    Depending on what the mechanical changes are and depending what you call 'normal', what signs you recognise, the hooves may not look terrible, or typically chronically foundered.
        11-11-2013, 06:44 PM
    When the bones inside the hoof sink and founder isnt the cause ,does the hoof take on the appearance of a foundered hoof?
    Not always.

    Or does the hoof look normal?
    At the very least it will usually tend to be long even when trimmed right down to the sole because the bone is sitting so low inside it can't allow the foot to be trimmed to a more normal length,. And they tend to have flat soles and flare worse.
        11-11-2013, 06:46 PM
    I think Patty is meaning laminitis as being necessarily metabolic/diet related(?)
    That or also just any inflammation of the laminae that caused it to come loose.
    and 'founder' meaning the mechanical changes of sinking or rotation, which are common in conjunction/because of metabolic probs, but that's not the only cause.
    Yep. In this horses case, given he is a retired show horse, I am going to venture a guess it was early life management, maybe even steroids. Was he a halter horse in his early life?
        11-11-2013, 07:29 PM
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    Patty, you just sparked an idea for me havin to do with steroids and hoof health. I think I'm going to start a new thread for this so as to not take away from this one.
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        11-12-2013, 12:42 AM
    I have spoke with a few farriers and several of them told me that Equipack could be a good way to go. With him brushing easily and havering a thin sole it could help the hoof heal without always being bruised. He currently only has front shoes on and he is in a pasture that does not have rocks or hard dirt.

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