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  • Trail shoes with embedded rock plate protection
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    04-11-2012, 01:54 AM
  #11
Trained
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Originally Posted by flyingchange1991    
see I would agree with you loosie but I've seen so much different stuff on heel height it blows my mind.
That's why it's a good idea to learn the hows & whys - learn what lies beneath.

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A lot of people have told me that she's abscessing because there is something permanently embedded but I will swear to the day I die its because her contracted heels are opening up.
Who knows, at least without a lot more info, but IME your feelings about it are far more likely than the 'imbedded' theory.

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did everything I could think of to check for lameness, and she went perfectly sound both ways! Does this have something to do with her feet too? I almost feel like I should put shoes on her because she just seemed really sore and trippy the whole ride. It also seems like her feet aren't growing back as fast as they should, maybe I'm just imagining stuff?
Is it to do with her feet? I'm not psychic so I couldn't know, based only on that info. If she's 'sore & trippy' and prone to abscesses too, then it does sound like she could well need hoof protection whenever ridden, tho again I'd definitely opt for boots over shoes for her, to allow more than palliative treatment. Again pics may help us help you, by giving more relevant or specific info. As for speed of hoof growth, they grow at different rates depending on the season, amount of exercise and how healthy or otherwise they are. Shod hooves tend to grow slower IME & well balanced nutrition & good diet also helps them grow quicker and stronger.
     
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    04-11-2012, 10:10 AM
  #12
Foal
Yeah her diet has been same for almost a year now (we switched to a more textured feed and theres definitely a big difference in her coat and feet) it might just have been because she was sleepy but I've got some pictures of her feet right after she abscessed the first time (its like 2 years old though)
I'll try to get some of her hooves now by tonight they look a lot different, but the yellow spot by the heel is where the abscess is busting out (and they all seem to bust there but they are developing in different places in the hoof, I've used hoof testers and my farrier has found spots when he's taken sole out during trimmings)
     
    04-11-2012, 10:25 AM
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Foal
     
    04-11-2012, 05:22 PM
  #14
Weanling
My horse has mediocre feet, meaning they'd be fine if our weather wasn't so wet. From my own investigations on the subject, this is what I see:

The "abscess" looks like where a bit of grave has penetrated the white line, in the hoof, and travelled up the hoof wall, until it's now coming out.

When you look at her hoof near the heels, is there a separation between the wall and the hoof? I use a sharp pick to check my horses' feet when I clean them. When I find a deep hole or separation, I clean it out best I can, stick in a bit of cotton and soak it in iodine. Keeping my fingers crossed!

Because of the mud here, I keep my horses barefoot. Horses with a soft white line, though, would benefit wearing shoes. You wouldn't get the gravel. Shoeing doesn't cause contracted heels, BAD shoeing does.

I use Easyboots, great protection, occasionally, but my horse doesn't like them.
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    04-11-2012, 08:36 PM
  #15
Foal
Thanks beling! I'll try that next time. (Knock on wood that there is no next time. I'll see what the farrier says when she gets trimmed.
     
    04-12-2012, 12:36 AM
  #16
Trained
Yes, be interested to see some different angles of those feet. Are the abscesses mainly on the hairline, heel, soles...? Does your farrier routinely remove sole material?

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The "abscess" looks like where a bit of grave has penetrated the white line, in the hoof, and travelled up the hoof wall, until it's now coming out.
IME abscesses can come about for a variety of reasons. A stone bruise or bash to the wall can abscess, necrotic tissue buildup due to ill functioning feet - such as contraction - is another common cause. Compromised hoof capsules, such as stretched toes, crushed heels, etc can put undue stress on different areas. If hooves are cracked or such, the mechanical force can tear upwards & if there is separation/seedy that will add to the damage. Nail pricks or other penetration wounds can, although IME that's not very common. If there is already a lot of damage & wall separation, it's possible that dirt/gravel could be pushed up a fair way, leading to further damage & infection, but IME it's unlikely to get too far or come out at the coronet.
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    04-12-2012, 12:01 PM
  #17
Foal
Well ain't it just my luck she pulled up lame again :( but she could be faking it because she's done it before!!! But I think I might just have to get shoes on her, but I'll post pictures tonight because I have to look at her feet anyway.
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Are the abscesses mainly on the hairline, heel, soles...? Does your farrier routinely remove sole material?

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The abscess always busts out the same spot (where the big yellow blob is on the hoof) and yes the farrier removes a lot of sole, but I'm going to switch to this more experienced farrier. And when I've had the vet dig it out so it would drain (I don't have them come out anymore because it always seems to last several weeks when they do that vs. me just popping it out by myself (my record is 36 hours)) they found that the abscess is lying right on the white line. The last time I had the farrier out he dug out some sole and found a big cavity where the abscess was and it was actually closer to the frog. I don't think its a rock that is trapped in there because logic tells me wouldn't it just grow out after a while? Like the cavity grew out?
     
    04-12-2012, 03:35 PM
  #18
Weanling
I'm watching this thread! Very interested in how to handle the less-than-ideal hoof.

Loosie, do you think anti-biotics should be given when having an abcess? I've heard opinions both ways.

I put Easyboots on my horse yesterday, and she was better with them, but they seem to really squeeze the heels. Could this be a problem, or cause problems?

I hope this all ties in with this topic!
     
    04-13-2012, 08:03 AM
  #19
Trained
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Originally Posted by flyingchange1991    
well ain't it just my luck she pulled up lame again :( but she could be faking it because she's done it before!!! But I think I might just have to get shoes on her,
Horses don't lie. They cannot 'fake it'. However, if for eg. She's been frequently lame long term & consistently been asked to work & then let off because of lameness, it's possible it could also become a learned behaviour.

I wouldn't personally put shoes on already unhealthy feet if I could help it. Would at least wait until they're healthier. Of course you need to make your own informed decision on this & to that end, I hope the link in my signature will help you get started.
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The abscess always busts out the same spot (where the big yellow blob is on the hoof) and yes the farrier removes a lot of sole, ....The last time I had the farrier out he dug out some sole and found a big cavity where the abscess was and it was actually closer to the frog. I don't think its a rock that is trapped in there because logic tells me wouldn't it just grow out after a while? Like the cavity grew out?
The pic shows the abscess on the hairline & you say they always happen in the same spot, but then seem to be describing solar abscesses? Removing sole routinely can lead to solar abscesses, when the 'armour plate' is weakened & thinned, leaving the corium more open to bruising. For that reason & the risk of further infection, I don't like the practice of digging for abscesses either.
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Loosie, do you think anti-biotics should be given when having an abcess? I've heard opinions both ways.

I put Easyboots on my horse yesterday, and she was better with them, but they seem to really squeeze the heels. Could this be a problem, or cause problems?
To be honest, I haven't looked into studies on antibiotcs for abscesses specifically, but IME these & anti-inflams can just suppress an infection, which can lessen but just prolong the problem. Antibiotics, while of course necessary in many infections, can also be very damaging to the horse's gut, relying mainly on bacteria to digest food. Therefore I would use them as sparingly as possible & don't consider them for abscesses *generally* necessary.

What sort of Easyboots? How's the fit & trim? Toes short enough & right to the front of the boots? Yeah, IME in some horses, ill fitting boots can bruise heels. Depending on the fit, pads or such can help.
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    04-14-2012, 11:52 AM
  #20
Foal
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Originally Posted by loosie    
Horses don't lie. They cannot 'fake it'. However, if for eg. She's been frequently lame long term & consistently been asked to work & then let off because of lameness, it's possible it could also become a learned behaviour.
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I do not lie when I say she will fake it from time to time. This time she was not faking it but I'll get to that in a sec. Every so often when I can't get to the barn regularly like I normally do the barn staff will call me like "Gypsy pulled up lame again" and then I get there and she's perfectly sound. I will lunge her, I will ask other people to look at her I will palpate every inch of her hooves and she is perfectly fine. There's no place on the hoof that has a bust on it where the abscess blew through and drained out. I always give her a couple of days off just to be sure but she does it EVERY TIME I'm not at the barn for more than 3 days.
Anyway, back to the update. I checked her out at the barn and she was limping so bad she did not want to walk back to the barn on soft ground no less. Her entire leg was swollen so I thought it was a bad sprain or even possibly a break of the splint bones. We iced it and gave her some banamine and she was able to get into the barn. A vet student that boards at our barn checked her out and palpated the leg and said its probably a really bad abscess. Either way I knew that if it was a break I wanted her to be at the clinic and get her leg fixed, if it was an abscess I knew we would need to get her checked out and possibly xrayed to see what was going on in the hoof. So we trailered her to the clinic and they checked her out the following morning and it was an abscess not a break (HALLELUHIUR!!!) and they began digging out the hoof trying to get the abscess because since its been chronic they wanted to figure out what the problem with the hoof is. They xrayed it and found a lot of dead tissue which they said could act like a foreign body. Either way they had to dig out the hoof a lot. They mostly worked on the sole yesterday and dug out enough hoof to fit the volume of one of those big pink erasers, they found a false sole and a whole lot of puss and they almost got down to where the abscess is. They called a farrier to dig out the side of the hoof because the dead tissue has to be removed. Last night the abscess busted out of the top of the coronary band (like before). She's most likely going to be staying there for a few more days, but they've been soaking it and wrapping it (again Halleluhiur because I get a break!) they haven't really talked about antibiotics yet so I'm not sure what that means. But my trainer says that all the intensive digging will mean she's probably out for 4-6 weeks. Poo but I'm glad we're fixing it.
Now what I'm worried about is do you guys think she'll need corrective shoeing after all of this or will they just grow it out?
     

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