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post #1 of 7 Old 02-18-2014, 07:14 PM Thread Starter
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treatment of seedy toe & thrush

Is this a good mixture of what i should use:

Copper Sulphate blended with Petroleum Jelly & Hydrogen Peroxide
Tea Trea Oil and Eucalyptus Oil Mixed with Apple Cider

What Ratio of Hydrogen peroxide should I use with the Copper Sulphate do i put hydrogen peroxide 3% strate on ?

I thoroughly clean out the hoof and scrape of all dirt and lose hoof, I get the farrier exactly when my horse needs it nearly on time every time and i need to get the farrier out earlier because i can see the frog needs to be tidied and trimed. As dirt is getting wedged between the sides of the frog and creating a damp enviroment.

I tried cutting just a little bit of the sides of the frog, but the frog and my horses whole hoof is very hard.

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post #2 of 7 Old 02-18-2014, 10:00 PM
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Well, copper sulfate will definitely get after microbes, there is no question. But I have never used it on thrush and have not experience with wld. There are a lot of "things" that people use to get rid of thrush, your tea tree/eucalyptus sounds like it would work. The main thing is just do not use something that will cause tissue damage.

When I have to deal with thrush, I wash the hoof well (with the hose). I use large rubber tubs or a rubber stall mat to keep them from picking up dirt when I set them down. I scrub them out with providone, and use a toothbrush for the tight areas. Rinse, and dry them off and put half and half Desenex and triple antibiotic ointment. I have used neem oil, too. It works well, but it smells horrid. The ointment is sticky and it stays "packed in".

Anyway, reportedly white lightening works on best on wld. Not that copper sulfate will not.

As for dirt around the frog, if my horses have clean dirt in that area, I do not clean them out - but, then...I believe in the theory that the hoof was designed to pack dirt there. If you know he has thrush, then it would be reasonable to keep it clean and medicated.

adding: my horse's hooves and frogs are very hard, also. I only trim parts that need to be taken off (e.g., "flaps" or tags that can collect dirt and welcome microbes.
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If going to 'big guns', I'd only use it on seedy which is not into live tissue. I would be very hesitant to use heavy chems on the frog. Aside from that, thrush & seedy toe, aka WLD, is essentially the same beast(well, beasts), just infecting different parts of the hoof. It can be bacterial, fungal or otherwise, or a combo, is an 'opportunistic' infection which means that it invades tissue that is unhealthy - strong hooves aren't really susceptible even in a paddock full of bugs. So topical treatments need to be broad spectrum antiseptics & a 'holistic' approach is best if a horse is 'prone' to seedy. Hoof balance/good regular hoofcare is part of that, as is a farrier who can safely 'resect' or cut out the infected hoof wall, because infection inside the wall is virtually impossible to treat if only topical.

So... of your mixes, I'd ditch the vaseline to start with, as you don't want to 'plug it up' or seal it(so also avoid hoof oils) - the bugs are almost invariably anaerobic, so the more oxygen the better to treat. That's why peroxide is helpful. I often use a '2 step' treatment, in which 6% peroxide is the 'part A'. Peroxide doesn't stay active for long though, like iodine & such, so I follow it up with something like tea-tree oil. As you're in Oz, there is a really good product for seedy, called Black Healer, available at Mayfield Barehoof Care Centre Home Page & some feed stores & such. I'd stick to tea tree oil on the frogs tho. Manuka honey is also good for central sulcus thrush.
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Tea tree oil is very good and I have found packing with salt helps too.
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post #5 of 7 Old 02-19-2014, 08:48 AM
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You might find this interesting on Seedy Toe.
You may want to use your head phones.

This is my farrier friend giving a presentation at a Veternarian/Farrier seminar in Florida last year on Seedy Toe.
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Thank you every one, I will hopefully have some time tonight to watch the video regarding seedy toe, otehrwise i will just watch it tomorrow.

I Bought 6% Hydrogen peroxide in a soluble base and another 10% (i think) Hydrogen peroxide in a cream base from the hairdressers shop, which i will dilute.

I also bought clippers with a rounded tip, so that i can trim the old bits of the frog because, the frog has flaps that are trapping dirt and not allowing the sides of the frog to have air. I will have a go tonight cutting of old bits of frog, untill i get the farrier out which will be very soon and she will cut out the seedy toe as she has allways done, with any horse i have had.

If I dont see an improvement, or i worry to much i will purchase the black healer cream. But i cant seem to find a way to pay for it via pay pall.

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post #7 of 7 Old 02-20-2014, 01:00 AM
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Soaking the feet will make the hoof more managable. You can stand him in water or wrap towls around his feet and pore water on them.

As Björn says in the film it is important for the ferrier to work the toe keeping it short and clean.
Björn did not know what the translation was for "pore mask" whick is Black Head, this is what you may see in the sole toe area. The shoer MUST DIG THIS OUT! untill there is clean hoof material. If it is not cleaned out the bakteria can eat it´t way along the hoof lamel eating away at the living material both up along the inside of the hoof capsal as well as along the inside of the sole.
When this happens there is a long process of an expencive operation whereby the infected hoof capsal must be removed.

The lady who introduced Björn is a verternay working on her thesis. Her theori is in the genetic DNA passed down to certain horses (throw backs) from the time when the horse was at the 2-toe stage of evolution and that we can see this by the radiograph of the toe crena indentation and the vertical line that we sometimes see on the front of the hoof.

There needs much study yet, but I myself have come across horses with just such hoofs and symtoms of seedy toe when I was shoeing.
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