Trim critic? New horse, bad feet

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        03-03-2014, 09:44 AM
    Trim critic? New horse, bad feet

    Just got a new horse, he's part of a group that was seized, previous owners starved them almost to death. He's got a long road to go, so we're just going to work on straightening up his feet and getting him healthy.
    The farrier trimmed him about 2 weeks after he came in, he did what he could. His feet are still pretty bad. Frogs ate up, funky and infected. When I trimmed I found a few pockets of nasty stuff. Next step is a good disinfecting soak and then treat with cream in all of the cracks. He's pigeon toed in the front, which doesn't help either. He was almost bow legged when he came in because he self trims the outsides of his feet only.

    Here are pictures of his feet before I trimmed - Otter Feet Before Trim 3-2-14 Photos by Sarahbreas | Photobucket

    And after - Otters Feet After Trim 3-2-14 Photos by Sarahbreas | Photobucket

    Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have trimmed my own for years but its been a long time since I've worked on a foot this bad.
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        03-03-2014, 11:21 AM
    Personally, I would have been more conservative with my trim. But given that I do not know this horse, its environment and other factors without seeing it, it is a hard call to make online. He has some issues going on (frog atrophy, possible negative plane, forward distortion of the hoof capsule, M/L imbalance, what appear to be abscesses, etc). One thing I would have done regardless is left more wall thickness on this guy, given that they are thin already. The after pictures look too beveled, especially at the toe and quarters, like the entire wall was stripped away. The sole of the hoof isn't meant to carry all of the weight; The walls need to offer protection and support too (not so much in front of breakover at the toe, but everything behind that point). Right now, it looks like he is dropped on his sole all the way around with the exception of the heels, which look like they could be taken down a hair in some pictures.

    What do his footfalls look like? Any hoof tester response?
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        03-03-2014, 11:41 AM
    Hoof tester response is normal on the FR and RL (RL is where I found a huge hole, I didn't dig it out, just cleaned out the black gunk packed in it). FL shows minute tenderness as does RR.
    Footfall before trim was toe first and stumbling, which is why I took so much off at the toe. Its been a long time since I've had to trim a rehab case like this. Now still toe first but not stumbling.
    Before trim he was tender on the front left, still is. He is walking like a lumbering giant right now, no muscle tone, no fat. He's about 400 pounds underweight. I was worried about taking the heels down too much because of the poor shape of his frogs. They are VERY tender when cleaned. Guess I went a little too deep on those quarters... crap...

    As of right now he's stalled and bedded on sawdust. Turnout is in a dry arena (he's not ready for pasture yet, and right now we are covered in about a foot of snow). He gets out for maybe 2 hours a day, he wanders back and forth, picking up hay, then its back in his stall. Once I get him moved to my barn he'll have more turn out and can go out in the big pen with dirty sand/dirt for turn out.
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        03-03-2014, 05:46 PM
    Those toes were trimmed WAY TOO MUCH , especially in the whacking off of that much hoof wall around the front. The hoofwall at the toe corners should be left long enough to get on the ground to share the load with the sole in that area. It has all been taken away. The probable reason you got away with it is only because there is still some dead sole there to help protect the bone underneath. But at the same time the bars and heels have a pile of dead sole still in there and if you got that out you would see where the heel should come down to. But you can not correct the heels right now because the toes are too short. And you would really make him sore. So wait till he re grows little hoof wall at the toe and THEN you can take the heels back more.
        03-03-2014, 05:48 PM
    Footfall before trim was toe first and stumbling, which is why I took so much off at the toe.
    Toe first footfall usually has more to do with the tall HEELS, and where the breakover point is relative to the frog, than toe length.
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        03-03-2014, 06:51 PM
    If I wait about 3 weeks and then post a new pic, could someone draw lines on them to start me off on the right path? He's got a lot to worry about right now, don't need him sore from me on top of that...
        03-03-2014, 08:46 PM
    Here is ELPO's Hoof Mapping Protocol:

    I use a regular black sharpie marker to draw the lines; it works well. :)
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        03-04-2014, 06:52 AM
    Sarah, clean hooves would really help - hard to get a clear idea of some details. Given that the front half of the feet were flat beforehand & it appears you didn't touch the sole there, just bevelled the wall, I suspect you haven't gone as far as it may seem with the toes, but I do agree with Patty, looks a bit far. Looks like there wasn't much to begin with & the heels needed the attention most.

    When the wall is stretched, I disagree that it should *necessarily* share the load, it often needs to be relieved IME. As you can see by the red rim around the toe laminae, there has been too much pressure there, but appears toe length is not so much the reason here.
        03-04-2014, 09:06 AM
    Do you think I should lower his heels any more or give him a couple weeks before I touch them again?
        03-04-2014, 04:34 PM
    I'm not sure, from those pics, that you've got anywhere to go. You've already done them, so I'd give them a breather, see how they change in the next few weeks, see how they do with a big of growth. You can't put it back on.

    Do you have any good trimmers/farriers around that can advise you the next trim or few with him?

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