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  • If a bevel isnt created on hoof wall will chipping
  • If the hoof wall must support the weight of the horse then why do you rasp it over

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    05-25-2013, 07:39 AM
  #11
Foal
He has been doing my horses feet for a year. I know I should have included some underneath and pre trim pictures, and I meant to get pictures of both, but just didn't. I'll be going back today and will at least take pictures of the under side. It could have been that this was the best he could do with what he was given, because his feet really aren't the greatest. They tend to grow flared out and get flaky.
     
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    05-25-2013, 06:49 PM
  #12
Green Broke
I meant to reply last night but my munchkin was sick.

Loosie- I mean break over as in a beveling of the hoof wall on the fronts. They look like they were trimmed straight across with no bevel to take the horses weight off the hoof wall. That can lead to chipping and flares. The heels look high and the angles on all the hooves are too steep and run foreward. The front hooves should have had the flares and heels corrected and lowered. Id imagine the bars are pretty overgrown too if he neglected the outside of the hooves like he did.

To me he did what most farriers (trained to shoe, not to trim barefoot horses)do when trimming barefoot, they trim it like they are going to put a shoe on it. Thsi doesnt work for a barefoot horse.


I learned a lot of the ins and outs from this site when I first started trimming my own horses. Bare Foot Horse. As an owner this can help you know what to look for and ask for and help you understand more the mechanics behind a barefoot hoof and how it works, which is completely different than a shod hoof.

ETA: If you go to that site and click the link on hoof shape, about halfway down the page will give you an idea what you should be aiming for vs what your farrier did. It explains why as well.
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    05-25-2013, 07:53 PM
  #13
Yearling
I don't know how they kept your horse before you got him, but if he's out in pasture now, the grazing posture may bring out his "hi" of "hi/low" hooves. It did on mine, but it's back to better angle now. It looks like the R/F one may be "clubby" because it's narrower than the left front. So the narrower hoof might be making the L/Hoof much worse than it really is.
I guess sole shots would show more.

I think the bevel is good, it looks to me how mine is done. I don't do a big round mustang roll.

Aside from the left being so round , I really can't tell if there are flares. It looks like it, but need to see the bottom first.
     
    05-25-2013, 08:01 PM
  #14
Green Broke
I would say,, shoddy. Flares , heels, not rounded well for barefooted.

Unfortunately, after using a farrier for a time, they tend to get lazy.

After my Fav farrier left town , and he would get bitched at for getting lazy and take it in stride, I went thru about ten diff ones.

I am having a few issues with the newest one, and after the next two trims, I do not see an improvement, he will also be down the road.
     
    05-25-2013, 08:28 PM
  #15
Banned
Hmm.. was your farrier late for a hot date? (dont beat me- im jokin) He missed the flare on the right on the quarters and heel (my view) and he rasped too high on the hoof wall to make up for more flare that he skipped with the nippers all the way around the hoof.. I too would like to see the bottoms.

Oh- when you see the farrier just point at your horses feet and yell 'BAD' and slap him many times with a rolled news paper! (jokin) just ask him to nip off the access flare- not that big a deal-- if you show the bottoms of the hoof we can point out exactly what needs to be removed.
     
    05-25-2013, 08:55 PM
  #16
Trained
[QUOTE=Honeysuga;2615521]
Loosie- I mean break over as in a beveling of the hoof wall on the fronts. They look like they were trimmed straight across with no bevel [\quote]

Yes honey, I do have an idea what break over means & think you must have been looking at different pics to me - think he did ok on that note.
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    05-25-2013, 09:00 PM
  #17
Green Broke
I wasnt being snotty, lol. But the bevel or "mustang" roll should be much more pronounced. The hoof wall needs to be beveled to the waterline(which should be carrying most of the weight of the horse) If the hoof is flared then there is white line separation(where the laminae are pulled away from the coffin bone, which is painful to the horse). This is not an esthetic problem, more a mechanical problem. Proper beveling will remove pressure from the wall and allow the white line to tighten back up , which will end the flaring, and allow the horse to walk more comfortably.
     
    05-25-2013, 10:50 PM
  #18
Banned
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Originally Posted by stevenson    
i would say,, shoddy. Flares , heels, not rounded well for barefooted.

Unfortunately, after using a farrier for a time, they tend to get lazy.

After my Fav farrier left town , and he would get bitched at for getting lazy and take it in stride, I went thru about ten diff ones.

I am having a few issues with the newest one, and after the next two trims, I do not see an improvement, he will also be down the road.
Iam the same way their down the road real fast if not doing good work.I went through 6 farriers. Yep they get lazy then do crappy work or their in a hurry.
     
    05-25-2013, 11:08 PM
  #19
Banned
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Originally Posted by Honeysuga    
I wasnt being snotty, lol. But the bevel or "mustang" roll should be much more pronounced. the hoof wall needs to be beveled to the waterline(which should be carrying most of the weight of the horse) If the hoof is flared then there is white line separation(where the laminae are pulled away from the coffin bone, which is painful to the horse). This is not an esthetic problem, more a mechanical problem. Proper beveling will remove pressure from the wall and allow the white line to tighten back up , which will end the flaring, and allow the horse to walk more comfortably.

I don't mean to argue and hope you don't think im pickin at you-- in my opinion the 'roll'/bevel is the best part of that whole trim job- aside from the raspin of the hoof wall so far up.. its not supposed to take away flare its to prevent it and cracking when the hoof does grow out.. or maybe I been lookin at it bassackwards, lol.
     
    05-25-2013, 11:56 PM
  #20
Yearling
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Originally Posted by toto    
I don't mean to argue and hope you don't think im pickin at you-- in my opinion the 'roll'/bevel is the best part of that whole trim job- aside from the raspin of the hoof wall so far up.. its not supposed to take away flare its to prevent it and cracking when the hoof does grow out.. or maybe I been lookin at it bassackwards, lol.
Being on this board, there are a variety of opinions on mustang rolls, bevels and all that stuff. No one is wrong. Some like the bigazz bevel, others like a minimum bevel. Some like the water line carrying the weight, some don't go that far. There's 2 sides to flares , too. Some like to rasp them flat, and some leave them mostly alone except getting the flared wall off the ground to prevent more flare.

I don't think anyone's wrong or right. Wait.....I think everyone is right. We all want the same things and eventually we all get there.

My soon to be ex farrier does not believe in backing up the toes. He doesn't bevel either. I leave it alone because my horse chips away her long toe all by herself. Hopefully it annoys the farrier.
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