Trimming to sole to tighten white line

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    02-22-2014, 08:12 PM
Trimming to sole to tighten white line

The photo below is of my haffie's L front which was taken before I was done trimming. It was intended to be a "before" photo of the frog trim w my new knife. Unfortunately, my cell camera died after this photo, and the knife was a disappointment. What I am worried about is the white line, and this is the most recent photo I have. The trimmed water line in this photo is just slightly above her hoof wall; for the most part that is an "indention" between the trimmed water line and her sole.

When I got her a little over a year ago, all of her feet were really long. I had a professional trim her right after I got her b/c she had no training. I have kept them up ever since. And, b/c she has a slight pigeon toe I trim her fronts - often.

So, it has been over a year, her hoof wall has never been much longer than in this photo, and yet her white line still looks stretched to me. If I stare at it long enough when I have her hoof in hand, I start questioning if it is "all" stretch white line, or not. She is in a very arid climate, so of course there is some sole build up, but it would take a jack hammer to find the "live sole" and remove all doubt as to how much is a stretch WL, and how much is just where the dead sole "rounded" and met the wall...if any.

I am not an aggressive trimmer. But, I am thinking that, since her sole is rock hard (like her frog ) I could safely, in an effort to tighten the white line, trim (rasp) the hoof wall and white line at a sharp angle w the sole. (?) But, then, if it would be "okay"...for how long would it be "okay" or need to be maintained?

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    02-22-2014, 08:30 PM
Actually, what I see first and foremost is excessively long heels (I can see almost an inch it looks like there) there and overgrown bars hidden behind an overgrown frog and some retained sole as evidenced by the shedding trying to happen around the frog tip. If they are dry and hard its no wonder. We need a set of photos to see the true picture of what is going on here. My bet is that if the foot were exfoliated well, the white line would be tight and perfect.
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    02-22-2014, 08:39 PM
I should have "photo taking" capability back - soon. I have soaked these feet to try to get them softer. It doesn't help. The ONLY thing that helps is a good rain. Which we haven't had in many months. I have trimmed her bars (and the material beyond) in the past, and it grows right back. I hear P Ramey's voice say, if it grows back quickly, it is trying to tell you something.
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    02-22-2014, 08:44 PM
Actually I now disagree with Pete on that. Bars become long and impacted and my feeling is if they are "growing back" faster than the wall growth, they are trying to let out extra length or are allowing sole to finally slough. Its different if you are in a really dry area. They should grow about the same rate as the wall. You might want to look around here. There is proof bars can really pinch the corum and cause some real long term issues. This is just a recent photo I remember seeing but there is more out there if you search. Bars should end about an inch from the end of the frog and not lay over the sole at all.
    02-22-2014, 09:21 PM
Thanks for the link, that is a good one. I know some time back there was a thread on bars and the different schools of thought. It seems "all over the map" to us poor lay people.

I flipped on the flood lights and measured her heel. From the back end of her "heel" (buttress) to her hairline (measured in a straight line) is about 1 inch 3/8th. You have been at this a while, huh? ;)

I don't understand why her soles don't wear down a little for me (her). She certainly never has a lot of hoof wall. They have decent concavity, so I wouldn't expect them to wear "all over", but some. She is in sand and rock.

I actually ordered a pair of grape sheers for her frogs (saw the idea on a website). I have never seen anything like them, ever. That is after 3 knifes, including a loop. Yeah, they are overgrown, but not for lack of me trying to contain them. :)
    02-22-2014, 09:46 PM
Basically the entire foot is still very overgrown, especially the heels. There is a PILE of dead sole in there, thicker in the heels than the toe. It is extremely difficult for an amateur to get that out, (in fact even a few farriers don't know how) Until all that dead sole comes out so the HEELS can get trimmed down to where they belong, don't expect much improvement. I would get a rpfessipal to do a thorough trim, removing all that hard dead sole then take it back over yourself.
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    02-22-2014, 09:53 PM
This is how out of control these feet have gotten over time: LAYERS of dead hard stuff is preventing you from seeing how much wall there really is at those heels. Yellow is about there they can go once the dead bars are grabbed and popped out, and false sole between it and the heels are gone. But it requires advanced tool skills you do not yet posses.
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    02-22-2014, 10:03 PM
They can't wear and shed without moisture unless you REALLY ride the snot out of them and keep it worn off as it comes. I would put some boots on this horse lined with a heavy duty trash bag of warm water covering the coronet and duck tape it up over the fetlock. Use warm water in them and leave them on a good half the day or maybe even overnight before having a farrier out to do a good trim and just clean everything up. That should really help soften that up so it can be cleaned up well. You are doing a good just can't get that hard stuff out sometimes. I can't even get it out sometimes when we have drought. It is like iron. Soaking helps alot.
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    02-22-2014, 10:06 PM
Thanks for the "diagram", patty. Yes, it would have to be a professional, a strong one. :) My regular farrier moved out of state. It may take some time to get one that will do what I ask, but it is probably the best solution. Maybe it will rain. :)
    02-23-2014, 06:18 AM
Agree with all above. I would be getting into those heels too. Exfoliating sole, I'd tend to leave what's in front of the frog. Depends what you see when trimmed. Don't think toe - a/p bal looks bad but again, overgrowth may be hiding it.

Re Pete rameys comments, agree in a way, & for eg if hoof was deemed to need high heels, then more bar too for support. But just because they grow back like that doesn't mean they should - think trinity is spot on there, they trying to give more support. But there is also so much excess I think, as with other 'good wall jamming' it 'lets down when you trim & its not under pressure.

He's also landing toe first so not using/wearing heels as much.

Sounding like stuck record but consider high mg, low ca diet. Look up gravelproofhoof.
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