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post #11 of 50 Old 02-23-2014, 09:40 AM
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Diet will tighten the white line not trimming.
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post #12 of 50 Old 02-23-2014, 10:36 AM
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You might be interested in Gene Ovnicek's method of hoof mapping. He's on youtube.
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Diet will tighten the white line not trimming.
Many whitelines are stretched only due to improper trimming, having nothing to do with diet. NOT ALL WHITELINE ISSUES are 'diet related' . It gets so frustrating to hear this misinformation so often.

That said, THIS horse does not even have a whiteline issue. What is has is piles of dead sole which eventually would have to crack out if not trimmed. So it naturally is no longer attached to the wall beyond the REAL sole. Once trimmed the trimmer will find a nice attached white line and tight connection, Guaranteed.
I have done only about 50,000 sets of hooves (maybe more) so I think I can say this from what I see here with confidence. There is a nice foot hidden under there and diet has nothing to do with it in this case .
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Many whitelines are stretched only due to improper trimming, having nothing to do with diet. NOT ALL WHITELINE ISSUES are 'diet related' . It gets so frustrating to hear this misinformation so often.

That said, THIS horse does not even have a whiteline issue. What is has is piles of dead sole which eventually would have to crack out if not trimmed. So it naturally is no longer attached to the wall beyond the REAL sole. Once trimmed the trimmer will find a nice attached white line and tight connection, Guaranteed.
I have done only about 50,000 sets of hooves (maybe more) so I think I can say this from what I see here with confidence. There is a nice foot hidden under there and diet has nothing to do with it in this case .
To tighten a white line you will need to address diet, trimming will not correct a white line that is stretched due to poor diet. That is not to say there isn't poor trimming out there but poorly trimmed hooves are not what I would describe as a "stretched" white line issue where the actual growth of the white line is different to healthy growth. I wasn't commenting on this hoof, but the idea that trimming is always the solution.
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To tighten a white line you will need to address diet, trimming will not correct a white line that is stretched due to poor diet.
Disagree thoroughly. I do agree that diet/nutrition are HUGE factors in hoof health generally. But laminar wedge/stretching comes about due to unhealthy *mechanical* stress, and this can be relieved regardless of diet. Granted, it takes a lot more trimming, to keep it relieved in the face of dietary issues and I don't advise addressing solely with trimming, but it can be done.
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Although she is a redheaded step child whose main function is to keep my mare company, she is fed the same diet as my sweet: high quality alfalfa, laken lite alfalfa pellets, R&B, flax, with free access to mineral/salt block, and a moormans mineral block.

In case you honestly believed she is a "stepchild", I was kidding.

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Disagree thoroughly. I do agree that diet/nutrition are HUGE factors in hoof health generally. But laminar wedge/stretching comes about due to unhealthy *mechanical* stress, and this can be relieved regardless of diet. Granted, it takes a lot more trimming, to keep it relieved in the face of dietary issues and I don't advise addressing solely with trimming, but it can be done.
Whatever trimming you do it will not cause a tighter white line to grow if the diet is compromised, it will always be fire fighting not curing the issue.


Some hooves do better with correct movement and correct diet (and in the case below with no trimming at all regardless of mechanical stresses).

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Whatever trimming you do it will not cause a tighter white line to grow if the diet is compromised, it will always be fire fighting not curing the issue.


Some hooves do better with correct movement and correct diet (and in the case below with no trimming at all regardless of mechanical stresses).

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Quite right Clava, it has to do with an inconsistant diet and/or stress, in short the digestion has been rubbed through a feed change "upset stomech" that shows up on the hoof wall as rings (the stretched lammel or what we say slight case of lammenitis). I mention this before I believe.

Trimming is treating something that has already happened.
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I know some believe diet fixes all ills. I know of others who believe trimming(not differentiating between human trimmed & well 'self trimmed') fixes all ills. I believe they are both vital 'ingredients'. There are certain aspects, IME, that won't be improved with a 'one or the other' approach.

But I KNOW that in absence of correcting the diet, you CAN indeed still correct hoof form, including 'tightening' the 'white line'. I also know that even with a good diet, hooves can absolutely get imbalanced without adequate hoof care.
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Patty, Trinity and Loosie have all posted great advice. I hardly ever post about hooves when I see they are on it :) But really, Clava, changing a diet will absolutely not correct stretched white line or any other problem without also proper trimming. First and foremost, these hooves are overgrown and that should and can be dealt with right away.

As for no trimming at all -- only in specific situations. Most domestic horses now are not kept in an environment that will wear the hooves sufficiently that no "artificial" trimming is necessary.
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