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post #21 of 35 Old 06-01-2012, 02:20 AM
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I disagree of course on the peripheral loading comment. An open shoe still packs with dirt like a bare hoof. And on hard surfaces it does not, like a bare hoof as well. Pads limit that function and horses benefit from a support material under the pad.
IMO it seems peripheral loading probably has that effect due to much to compression of the coronary artery, as the loaded hoof walls are pushed into it.

Yes, whether shod or bare, hooves *often* get packed with dirt. They often don't though & hooves on hard flat surfaces - whether shod or bare - are often left without support underneath. Because it's not reliable, and because dirt is unlikely to pack much into a foot like that and because it also may not provide enough protection to a sole like that on hard ground anyway, I don't feel it's really relevant in this situation anyway & the horse needs protection - I'd go for padded boots for now, if that suits him.

Agree that if talking flat pads with shoes, packing would also likely be helpful. Alternately, padding such as Vettec Sole Guard could be used without any other pad.
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From the standpoint of the dropped sole, shoes could have contributed to that. I would not touch the sole when trimming, and keep to giving surfaces and eliminate as much concussion as possible. Dropped soles tend to come with contracted heels like peas and carrots - and ringbone. Maybe consider boots as an alternative to shoes?
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Well the horses heels are not contracted, there was some point or maybe still a thrush infection creating that cleft.

DR......What is the theory behind dropped soles occurring most often contracted heels. I've not found that correlation myself.

Also I've never found shoes to create dropped soles. Must have been one horrid application. O.o
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I sent these same pictures to a professional and he thinks that the heels are crushed which is causing the pain. He wants me to take some more pictures to see how he stands, see if his posture and movement confirm what he is thinking.
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I'd agree with the degree the heels are run forward and left long, that they are on their way to being crushed. I have a different definition of crushed. Heels rolled under blending in with the bars.

Nothing beats having the hoof in hand. Pictures are only good as the photographer. Meaning the angle of the picture dictates the outlook.
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Also I've never found shoes to create dropped soles. Must have been one horrid application. O.o
Back to the peripheral loading again. Although I don't know I'd say it causes it, but I think it can be a strong contributing factor, combined with concussion or bad shoe application or diet/laminitis issues for eg.
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^^What MP said basically. I think it's a matter of degrees re calling the heels crushed & they don't look too bad to me either, but they do appear a bit forward & maybe a bit long. I think that tends to go along with run forward toes & addressing the toes would be a big part of improving heels IMO.

Re pics, yes, different angles would help give a better idea. There's a link in my signature with advice for best hoof pics.
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From the standpoint of the dropped sole, shoes could have contributed to that.
While my professional experience is limited to only several thousands of horses I've shod, I have not seen an instance where shoes caused 'dropped' (prolapsed) solar tissue.

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Dropped soles tend to come with contracted heels like peas and carrots
I have no idea what "peas and carrots" have to do with anything hoof related (doubt that you do either) but am confident that prolapsed solar tissue is neither resultant nor causal in cases of contracted heels.

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- and ringbone.
"and ringbone" what? Another symptom of prolapsed soles???

Now you're just making stuff up as you go along.

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Maybe consider leaving off council to horse owners looking for serious advice on the subject of managing the equine distal limb.

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Here are some peas and carrots for you, Mark, a good read:

Natural Hoof - Strasser Files: Patrick

Have a great day :)
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Here are some peas and carrots for you, Mark, a good read:

Natural Hoof - Strasser Files: Patrick

Have a great day :)
I'm trying to reserve myself here, but that article is bias. The owner of course does not want to write that the method he chose to trim his horse with has failed. The horse would likely still not pass a PPE. The thin soled horse had more "hoof" prior to the trim. He is now trimmed quite short, and nothing has been done to address the strung out toe and and broke back HPA. If anything it's worse. Strasser methods are overly aggressive and do not do what is claimed. More horses are subsequently lamed following that protocal, than "cured".
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