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    06-04-2012, 10:36 PM
As usual, I agree with Loosie.

I would also recommend daily washing of the walls especially with sunlight dish soapy water and a stiff brush. Rinse well and dry. You want to keep the "ickies" out of those cracks as much as possible. Do not put more moisture on the hooves, you will make the cracks worse probably. Nothing will fix the cracks like good and regular trimming. She might need to be trimmed at 3 week intervals for a while to get the cracks under control. Don't dismiss those cracks, they do not appear to be just surface cracks. You can see the depth of the chipping in the pics. You've got to keep the dirt out of there as much as possible. I know it's impossible, but everything you do to try will be a help.

You can add biotin and free choice minerals to her diet to help with hoof health as well as overall health.

The only comment about the current trim state is that 4 weeks between trims should not show that much flaring -- either the trim wasn't sufficient or your horse grows hooves superfast. If the latter, then you should quickly be able to get the cracks resolved. :)

As far as gravel, if she could do it before, she can do it again. Once she has a proper trim, introduce the gravel and hard walkways again. They are good for barefoot horses.
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    06-04-2012, 10:54 PM
Green Broke
Thank you loosie and northern that is reassuring. I have some more pictures I took today to really show how bad the angles are but I can't get them up til morning.

The hoof heal is supposed to treat thrush and other stuff. I already scrub the hooves everyday with a stiff brush and water but I will add soap to that as well.

The flaring is what really bothered me. I don't know how her hooves can grow so fast as she's not on pasture or anything. I have no problem getting them trimmed much earlier as I want her feet to be as good as possible. There are some good chips now that have formed this weekend. I trust this farrier will fix them and is truthful to if she would needs shoes. I'm still kicking myself for ever switching in the first place.

She's currently on grass hay with a very small amount of alfalfa along with 1.5 lbs of enrich 32 and 2oz of cool calories. Would just a hoof supplement help?

I'm really upset as the cracks she had were finally growing out and now this. Thank you everyone for the advice and helping me learn. New pics to come in morning.
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    06-04-2012, 11:04 PM
Poppy, I don't know what enrich 32 and cool calories are, but does she have free choice mineral supplement as well? I would do that rather than just a hoof supplement. Something more "overall". Biotin would be directed at hoof and hair.

Some horses hooves just do grow that fast, but I think it's more likely that the flaring was not properly addressed in the last trim.

Lets see some pics after the next trim! :)
    06-05-2012, 09:23 AM
Green Broke
At this point she does not have a free choice mineral supplement but rather loose brown salt (possibly a mineral supplement) that I give her by hand when I feed her. I keep giving her more until she wont eat it anymore. But I'm looking into getting a mineral and salt block for her paddock, hoping the other horse wont chase her off from it. Oh and enrich 32 is a ration balancer and the cool calories is just a fat supplement.

Below are some pictures I took last night to show the extent of the flaring and what looks to me to have way to much toe? It looks really wrong to me so if someone could point out why it looks funky that would be great. I looked really good at the chips and bigger cracks and they don't go that far in but I'm sure the farrier will address those.

But I'm guessing by how bad these are she might need to be trimmed again in a few weeks, so I will ask the farrier about that. I will take after pictures but they won't be posted until Thursday when I get to a computer again.
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    06-05-2012, 10:32 AM
Green Broke
It looks like her toes are long in the front in the picts above. They are starting to dish out. I'm curious to see what they will look like after a trim.
My horses are on a 4 week trim schedule. When I was riding them all the time I could get by with waiting 8 weeks. Now that they aren't being worked as much, they need trimmed more frequently. It's not so much that they are growing faster. They just aren't moving enough to wear down their feet like they used too.
Slowly walking on gravel and paved road can actually help condition the feet of a barefoot horse.
    06-05-2012, 10:43 AM
Green Broke
I ride about 4-5 days a week but I have only trail rode her 4 times since the last trim. Trail rides average a little over 3 hours with a break in the middle.

It also looks like the front feet are not equal? I don't mind having her trimmed once a month and I would actually prefer it so the farrier can keep a close on eye on those cracks and advise on care sooner than later. Both farriers that have seen her have said she doesn't need shoes but if it is decided that now she would be best with shoes in the summer it will be done. I'd rather her stay barefoot but if it has to be done then it has to be done.

I don't know how much they differ from winter to summer but she was being worked just as much in winter just not under saddle and only had the two cracks on her front feet which were from prior to me adopting her.
    06-05-2012, 10:52 AM
The condition of your horses feet is a consequence of genetics, use, environment and poorly managed bio-mechanics.

Presuming your horse is receiving adequate quantities of water and forage, diet and, more specifically, dietary supplements, are for the most part, a red herring.

Notable exceptions would be salt and possibly selenium for those horses living in selenium deficient geographic locales. Given the sometimes catastrophic results of excess selenium on the horses hoof (selenium poisoning), I'd rather a horse be deficient in this trace element than exposed to unverifiable dietary supplementation.


    06-05-2012, 10:59 AM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by Horseman56    
poorly managed bio-mechanics.

Can you elaborate please?
    06-05-2012, 11:50 AM
Originally Posted by poppy1356    
Can you elaborate please?

The mechanical properties of the equine hoof capsule are plastic, not elastic. As such, the capsule, under load, will distort in a manner similar to that of bone. This is a fundamental rule of bio-mechanics called Wolff's law.

The hoof capsule is subject to the ground reaction force which opposes the equine phalangeal lever. As that lever length increases, so too does the ground reaction force. As the capsule distorts, structural integrity is eventually compromised and the wall fails under load.

Trimming can reduce both the ground reaction force and the mechanically induced distortion. It also reduces the structural integrity of the capsule. There is a balance between finding optimal phalangeal length and horn linearity without compromising the minimum structural integrity necessary for the capsule to bear load. Exceed that minimum balance requirement and again, the wall fails.

You can trim more, trim less, trim with greater frequency or not. There's no getting around the basics of bio-mechanical physics. Ultimately, it becomes irrefutable that some domestic horses, in use, will benefit from more than just a trim.

Horse owners recognized this need more than two thousand years ago. As much as some would have you believe otherwise, little of that fundamental need or the practical means of addressing that need has changed.

    06-05-2012, 11:52 AM
Originally Posted by poppy1356    
Can you elaborate please?
Internal and external forces and how they impact things - in this case her hooves.

Sand can impact and cause the cracks. Poor shaping by the farrier can cause the cracks. Poor nutrition, etc.

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