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post #21 of 43 Old 06-05-2012, 11:03 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you for the explanation. Another question... those lines that go horizontally across the hoof that appear to be wavy, do they look like that from not growing evenly or is it from an uneven trim, or do some just look like that?

Like I said I would rather her stay barefoot but I'm not against shoeing if that is what the farrier decides is best. He is good about explaining things, I'm just looking for some information so I am more informed and I have some good questions to ask him. Thank you for all suggestions and information.
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post #22 of 43 Old 06-05-2012, 12:17 PM
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The ridges are - stress rings, growth rings, grass rings. Typically brought on by systemic stress within the horse. Changes in environment, diet, a fever, illness, etc.
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Well that makes sense then. She was rescued last fall so it will probably take another year for the cracks and essentially 'bad hoof' to grow out then?
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The ridges are - stress rings, growth rings, grass rings. Typically brought on by systemic stress within the horse. Changes in environment, diet, a fever, illness, etc.
...And mechanical balance. For eg. The rings being 'wavy' rather than level, such as the inside of the right fore where it's more flared & excess ground pressure is putting more stress on the wall.

While your farriers have seen & felt her feet & presumably seen her use them in person & we haven't even seen pics of the base of her feet, so we can't know better, from those pics I'd say it's likely that horse does indeed need hoof protection, for now at least & on rough ground at least. She may well have great feet eventually that will do well bare, but I think it's likely getting them healthy will have to happen first. Especially given the weak, disconnected state of the walls, I wouldn't want to use shoes for this for now at least, but hoof boots are a valid option.

You mentioned her feet looking uneven? Haven't got the pics on this page to check while I write, but is the right fore more upright & flared toe than the left? It's common for horses to be uneven & generally not something to be 'fixed', at least with trimming alone. The feet need to be managed to keep them in good balance, but that doesn't necessarily mean making matching pairs.

Yes, it likely will take the time for the rubbish growth to grow out before she gets some real strength to them and IME frequent enough trimming to maintain form & function, rather than waiting for them to overgrow & distort more before trimming is important. That may or may not mean more frequent trimming to what she's had & horses feet grow at different rates at different times, depending on diet, environment, exercise, etc. so just because, say 5-weekly is a good schedule now, doesn't mean it always will be.

Studies have been done on supplementing Biotin and have shown that it does help. Unfortunately, so far as I'm aware there are few good scientific studies on other specific nutrients, but there is a lot of anecdotal evidence. It is but one of many nutrients that are necessary for hoof(& the rest of the body) health, that may or may not be deficient in the diet. Minerals & other nutrients, water and an energy source by way of food are the necessary building blocks of life, so I don't think supplementing missing/imbalanced 'ingredients' is superfluous at all. IMO supplementing with minerals *appropriate for that horse & diet* is an important part of healthy hooves.
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That was very helpful thank you. Is biotin something I buy by itself? Is there a way a vet can test what's missing in their diet? Like for me I get a blood draw to test all vitamin levels and everything else they can do once a year, is there something like that for horses? Or maybe a way I can get close to figuring it out myself?

She would give me dirty looks if I put hoof boots on her lol. But since we stay away from mud I'm sure they would work pretty well. I will ask the farrier tomorrow. I'm also thinking she should be on a 3-4 week trim schedule for now.

Thank you so much for all the help. I will update with what the farrier says tomorrow and put up pics on thursday.
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I read through 3 pages of this and see all kinds of dancing around with words. I took one look at your first picture and thought, gee why doesn't that horse have shoes on to protect those poor feet? However, it's your horse, your choice, keep on asking for advice & slathering on the grease.
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I read through 3 pages of this and see all kinds of dancing around with words. I took one look at your first picture and thought, gee why doesn't that horse have shoes on to protect those poor feet? However, it's your horse, your choice, keep on asking for advice & slathering on the grease.
Well she doesn't have shoes due to in may when she was last trimmed I asked the farrier if she needs shoes and he said no her feet are perfect. A different farrier comes out tomorrow morning to trim and if he says shoes then shoes it is. I have many questions for him and I am hoping to learn more tomorrow. These hooves have only been this bad for just a tad over a week. Two weeks ago they looked like they could use a trim but nothing crucial. Farrier is busy and tomorrow is the first appointment available.
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there is some oil stuff(forgot name) that you can put on them.usually at any farm store. It helps with cracks. I learned how to trim from my dad and we do natural trimming. It is much beter for the hoof and ur horse wont get sore. My horses have never had shoes. Walk them down a road everyday, it will get there feet strong and calosed. Then you don't have to buy shoes and they wont slip as easily
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That was very helpful thank you. Is biotin something I buy by itself? Is there a way a vet can test what's missing in their diet? Like for me I get a blood
Yes, you can buy biotin straight, but as I said, it's one of many nutrients that *may or may not* be necessary to supp. Yes, blood tests can give you an idea of what may be needed, but as not everything shows up accurately in the blood, it seems that diet analysis is far more accurate. Without actually getting hay/pasture tested, you can't be truly accurate, but you can get a very good idea from a nutritionist or a program such as feedxl.com

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These hooves have only been this bad for just a tad over a week. Two weeks ago they looked like they could use a trim but nothing crucial.
With respect, while they may have got substantially worse just recently, the problems evident have obviously been there long term.
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Yes, you can buy biotin straight, but as I said, it's one of many nutrients that *may or may not* be necessary to supp. Yes, blood tests can give you an idea of what may be needed, but as not everything shows up accurately in the blood, it seems that diet analysis is far more accurate. Without actually getting hay/pasture tested, you can't be truly accurate, but you can get a very good idea from a nutritionist or a program such as feedxl.com



With respect, while they may have got substantially worse just recently, the problems evident have obviously been there long term.
Yes I agree there. That's why each trim I've actually been bumping it up a week sooner. This was something I was afraid of as I'm still battling skin issues due to her being in poor health for so long. This mare was a real rescue that was starved to a body score of 1.5 so I figured some health issues could come with.

I'm hoping tomorrow I can get some guidance on what will work for her whether it's shoes or boots. I trust this farrier to be honest. The vet may be coming out in a few days, maybe I can see if he can give advice on her feeding program and he may know what nutrients are in our local hay already. As she is not on pasture except when I hand graze her. She will eat whatever I put in front of her so I'm not worried about switching feed if I have too.

I know I'm not the best at writing and I try to get as much information in as possible. I'm sorry if some of these posts seemed all over, I add things as I think of them. I have every intention on doing whatever is needed to keep her sound and healthy. I was simply trying to learn more on a subject that quite baffles me at times.
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