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    09-22-2012, 09:08 PM
  #1
Weanling
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Ugh! I've been away for several weeks, and my mare now has White Line in 2 hooves! It's mild, and my farrier put slight rocker shoes on her fronts and cleaned them very well, sprayed them out with formalin mixture really well, and then put in Sav-A-Hoof and put the shoes on. He told me to soak with White Lightening and white vinegar 1X a day for 3 days with each hoof, and then 3X a week until the next shoeing. I have to order White Lightening. My question is: can I soak with ACV until the White Lightening arrives? I went to find the White Lightening at the local feed and seed and they ordered it for me, but it will take a few days to arrive. I am wondering if I can do ACV in the meantime? Would it help? I am SOOOO worried about her!!!!!!
     
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    09-23-2012, 07:44 AM
  #2
Weanling
My horse has wld in all four hooves, and I've been dealing with it for three months now. What seems to work the best for me is soaking in white lightening every two\three days, and spraying with acv on the days I'm not treating with white lightening.
She'll be fine for a few days, even if you do nothing until the wl comes in. I would just pick her hooves out every day and spray or soak in acv until the stuff arrives. Its a long battle to get this gunk out of the white lines, so don't get discouraged.
     
    09-23-2012, 10:52 AM
  #3
Weanling
Goticangel69 thanks! When you use the ACV spray, do you use it straight or diluted? This morning I have a narrow nosed squeeze bottle from some old asian ketchup, and I cleaned it out, filled it with ACV and just put it over the hoof and along the shoe line (I know I will need to soak because she has shoes). I have an old dry bag from kayaking that I can use to soak the hoof, and I am thinking of just soaking both for 20 minutes a day 1x a day until the white line comes in (I don't have an RX boot, but I think the dry bag will work). Can I ask if I can ride her at all during this time? The farrier said she would need exercise, but it's been sooo muddy here that the arena is pretty muddy and I can take her on the road and it will be clean, but I want to know if it is OK to put her in light work. I am very concerned as she is my endurance competition horse, and I guess I am out for the next few months. Nutritionally, I have been feeding her 1 cup of Alfalfa/Timothy mix pellets with Millenium Vitamin Gold mixed in and 1 ounce of Animed Remission. This is her usual regimen and I am wondering if something is off nutritionally or it is just the fact it's rained for the past month pretty much straight. She gets a good amount of biotin, copper and methionine in the combo feed I give her, but I am wondering if I should add a hoof suppliment, too? I am most concerned about keeping her in some light work. I don't want her to get sore or hurt, but I heard it is good to keep them active. What do you think?
     
    09-23-2012, 09:13 PM
  #4
Trained
Hi,
I had the feeling I'd heard somewhere that the chlorine dioxide reacts with metal so it wasn't very effective for shod horses. I might be completely off there though... It's not available here except importing it at huge expense, so not speaking from experience at all either.

Anyway, yes, there are many things you can use to kill the infection. White Lightening is one of the commercial options, most of which are heavy chemicals that I'd use cautiously. I *think* WL is one of the better & doesn't damage live tissue, but many do, so shouldn't be used on frogs, hairline or above, or on anything remotely close to open wounds. ACV is one of the mild 'home remedies' that often work, because fungus doesn't generally like acid. But it doesn't always work - there may be bacterial infection & different bugs take different treatment to kill. That's why there are no mild home remedies that work across the board. So saying, t-tree or eucalyptus oil do seem to be good broad spectrum antiseptics and I've found them pretty effective. I use a strong dilution - about 3:1 and spray it on. Unfortunately if the horse is shod & the seedy hasn't been resected adequately, it may not get in very effectively though.
     
    09-23-2012, 09:15 PM
  #5
Yearling
Eeek does she have to be shod?
     
    09-24-2012, 11:13 AM
  #6
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Merlot    
eeek does she have to be shod?
She is an endurance horse and we tried not shoeing the first year and after several stone bruises we went to shoes because the terrain on the rides is usually quite rocky. So, yes, she does need shoes.

She also has a small crack in the front shoe that needs to be supported, so she is on slight rockers to keep the pressure off the toe but not pressure the crack open.

I soaked her last night in ACV with epsom salts mixed in. I know ACV on it's own is okay for some bacteria and fungus, but I also know that is can be too mild for some, so I added epsom salts to help draw out and kill the other stains of bacteria that are not salt friendly. I am cleaning her hooves very well and then soaking them, shoe and all, in a dry sack with the mix for 20 minutes 2x per day to draw out what I can before the WL arrives. I know the ACV is mild but it's all I have at the moment.

If anyone has research to state why I should take off her shoes during this time, I would be very interested in seeing it and showing it to my farrier, but I do worry the crack would not be supported. It isn't a huge crack, but I want to prevent it from becoming any bigger and the rocker shoe keeps pressure off the toe.

I read that I should be walking her on pavement to stimulate blood flow more adequately for 15-20 minutes. If anyone has any info saying otherwise, I would be interested in reading it, too. I am pouring straight ACV in her nail holes each day and on her other hoofs I am pouring straight ACV and holding up her feet and letting it dribble through the shoe and squirting it directly into all crevices.

I read that WL was safe for shod horses on the Smartpak website, but I am not sure if their information is always correct. I'll check it out.

Also, she is IR and on a very, very low NSC diet with almost no sugar, so I am pretty sure that her WLD is not dietary. She is on a complete vitamin and Animed Remission for her hooves, so I think it must be environmental. But my other horse doesn't have it at all! Not anywhere! Not even thrush, so I am a little miffed!
     
    09-24-2012, 05:11 PM
  #7
Yearling
Peter Ramey has a brilliant article on white line disease here
Pete Ramey writes about white line disease thrush navicular disease hoof balance

Hope this helps
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    09-26-2012, 01:59 AM
  #8
Yearling
I had to have my gelding's seedy toe cut out. It was an absolute nightmare.

I'm interested to know how your mare will do with your treatment plan. Hope it clears up fast!!
     
    09-26-2012, 05:05 AM
  #9
Trained
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Originally Posted by 2SCHorses    
She is an endurance horse and we tried not shoeing the first year and after several stone bruises we went to shoes because the terrain on the rides is usually quite rocky. So, yes, she does need shoes.
Yes, the generally do require protection & even growth-wise, healthy hooves can't often keep up with endurance miles. Many endurance riders have found hoof boots to be a valid alternative, which also protect the bottom of the foot from stone bruises, etc, unlike rim shoes.

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She also has a small crack in the front shoe that needs to be supported,
That can be done very effectively without shoes & peripherally loading the already damaged wall.

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If anyone has research to state why I should take off her shoes during this time, I would be very interested in seeing it and showing it to my farrier,
Here a couple to start... More Hoof Ideas from Dr. Robert Bowker

http://www.easycaredownunder.com.au/...bad%20foot.pdf

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I read that I should be walking her on pavement to stimulate blood flow more adequately for 15-20 minutes. If anyone has any info saying otherwise, I would be interested in reading it, too.
Not when shod. I'd keep her off pavement & only on more yielding ground with shoes. More info as above.
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    09-30-2012, 01:00 AM
  #10
Weanling
Oxer - I am sorry to hear about your horse's hoof! So far, my mare is doing well. The soak I do every other day and I still pour the straight ACV on her hoof, nail holes and squirt it into the cracks and under the shoes after I clean (I've been cleaning her hooves 2X a day). I upped her Animed Remission dose back to the loading dose to help her hoof growth. I will let you know when the farrier comes back out how everything is, but she has stopped her tender footed-ness on the gravel and walks no problem over the grass and dirt. I actually bought a very, very stiff paint brush and find that works the best after I use the pick to get all the dirt and poop out. She is happier and has a better attitude than the first week. She is walking out like her old self and not this weird lazy walk she was doing before the farrier came out, but we are going to continue aggressive treatment until her next farrier visit and then readjust the plan if necessary.
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