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post #11 of 14 Old 12-08-2013, 07:47 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Patty Stiller View Post
I have nothing against the Pete Ramey trim guidelines. They take a lot longer to get the foot back in shaoe than the ELPO guidelines, IMO.
And he makes it a lot more complicated than it has to be. But because they are so conservative they are safe to use for those who are a bit less experienced in trimming . You are lucky to find ANYONE who will work on a draft, too. Many farriers and trimmers will not do them at all .
It's something I had already tinkered with before we moved and ended up with my last farrier and shoes. However, I was alone when I was tinkering and had nobody to ask my questions and I didn't want to do any more damage. So I am lucky enough to have found this person, who trained with Pete and is willing to fill in the holes of knowledge I didn't have before. I'm happy with where I'm at and excited for the future. I have her diet as managed now as I possibly can with what she needs. Only time will tell now.

Yes, it is EXTREMELY hard to find someone that is not only strong enough to do my mare's feet, but patient enough. She has been man handled in the past, including my last farrier and she is sensitive to someone else handling her feet. She does much better for me. AND, if she is having a bad day, or needs a rest, I can always finish later. AND, I am always there to touch up a trim frequently and fix problems as I go. It is win, win for me even though it is very hard work.

But, I am still wondering about her lateral side of her hoof. Is the white line stretched or just wide? Her hoof wall was taken waaaaaaaay back almost to the water line (the white ring), but then there is still the white line (darker ring) before the sole that is very wide......or am I wrong?
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post #12 of 14 Old 12-08-2013, 08:05 PM Thread Starter
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Before I moved down here, I had a certified natural barefoot trimmer trimming. However, he was so far away, that he would only come out for a group of us every seven weeks. My mare needed a lot of help and more frequent trims. He was fine with me rasping in between trims etc. He at least got her past this:

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That yellow on the lateral side looks just like a 'corn' of old sole which has been compressed & bruised under the shoe. When you say the 'wall & waterline' I think you're talking about the wall. While the outer wall grows down from the coronary & may be pigmented and is rather dry & (should be) impermeable, the inner wall that grows from the laminae is unpigmented(so white) and is softer & has more moisture. Then you have the 'white line' or lamellar line, which is not white. If healthy, it should be a narrow line between sole & wall. However it is frequently stretched and if not acutally separated by mechanics or infection, the outer laminae may be easily visible, connected to the wall, but the inner may be 'wedge' material or otherwise confused with sole material - it is often not all that clear to tell where sole ends and lamellar material starts.

As the horse was newly out of shoes, I'd have done a very minimal trim first time round, but I would have seriously bevelled the stretched toes & probably opened up that seedy spot more - looks like an insideous one, 'hiding' under the sole. So I probably wouldn't have removed the dead sole, except in the immediate vacinity of the seedy.

I also don't tend to remove dead sole unless necessary anyway, think it's *generally* best left, esp if the horse is thin soled, but if you're not sure about where the true sole plane is, then it may be a good move to remove enough so you can tell.
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Thanks everyone for trying to help my confused brain on this one! I'm going to keep moving forward and watch the changes as I do so. I'm thinking the foot will gradually start to look more normal, to where I can make a definite distinction between all the anatomy.

The sole has been wearing away on it's own. Her boots will be here by Tuesday. I have been walking her and even lunged her yesterday for about ten minutes, and she has shown no signs of lameness, which is wonderful. I was ready for the worst.
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