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        10-09-2013, 12:22 AM
      #11
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Patty Stiller    
    No. Thrush is primarily bacterial. Whiteline is more fungal.
    Interesting. Apart from anecdotally - been told white powdery is fungal, black gooey necrotic stuff more often bacterial(I think - could have that back to front), I only have other's word to go on (I'm not a biologist who's studied it, but lucky to have learned from some), that both thrush & 'WLD/seedy' can be either fungal, bacterial or protazoa & it depends on what type bugs are in the ground when the hooves are compromised & susceptible. That they are essentially the same thing in different areas of the hoof. So I wonder if it's a regional thing, that you said above?
         
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        10-09-2013, 12:51 AM
      #12
    jmc
    Foal
    My horse has had white line disease as well..

    And it is not the same thing as thrush. Thrush attacks the frog, white line attacks the laminae.

    Agreed that we need more photos of the hoof. We are looking for cracks and flare. I don't really see anything obvious on the hoof sole, except some black along the bottom (right) quarter in the photo.

    My experience was that as I'd never seen it before, I didn't immediately recognize the problem, and neither did the first farrier. I was concerned about a crack that wouldn't grow out. I finally had my vet have a look and he diagnosed white line. He had me cleaning the hole out, soaking cotton in Betadine and stuffing that in the hole. The next farrier had me doing the same thing, It didn't work. The crack stayed the same height, and the black area remained, for over 4 months of treatment.

    A different vet finally did the right thing, which was to pare the hoof wall back, clearing off all the diseased material, until only good hoof remained. She also put a decent roll on the toe to remove pressure from the crack (the idiot of a farrier I had at the time refused to do the same thing, even when asked). The dug-out part was about an inch high and two inches across. He was not lame or sensitive. There was still a bit of a hole that I had to inject some sort of special iodine solution into, but with most of the diseased area removed, I was able to get the iodine all the way into the disease that remained. The hoof grew out clean and the problem so far has not returned.

    Good luck - if your horse truly has white line disease, it needs to be treated correctly and quickly, if it continues to spread up the laminae it can be much more difficult to treat and cause a lot of problems.
         
        10-10-2013, 10:04 PM
      #13
    Yearling
    So finally got some pics I had to rush and try and beat daylight while I was taking them but I recently moved to a different barn and I had to switch farriers this is the first time this farrier trimmed my horses they were trimmed on the 5th.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ktrolson    
    Question: are you saying that this photo is AFTER a trim? Is your horse a barefoot horse?
    Yes the original first photo was taken about 30min after the trim and yes she is a barefoot horse.


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        10-10-2013, 10:08 PM
      #14
    Yearling
    She has had that crack in her right hoof for about 6yrs now 4 different farriers have looked at it and all have really done nothing about it other than tell me she's going to have it for the rest of her life and we've tried shoes and everything else and its recently gotten worse but here are a few more pics.. ( sorry her hooves aren't really clean like I said I was battling daylight but if y'all need more or other angles let me know)

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        10-11-2013, 12:25 AM
      #15
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jmc    
    And it is not the same thing as thrush. Thrush attacks the frog, white line attacks the laminae.
    Just to be pedantic, 'white line disease/seedy toe' 'attacks' the wall material. It can however get into the laminae & sensitive tissue(even the bone) if allowed to progress that far though.
         
        10-11-2013, 12:32 AM
      #16
    Trained
    Due for a good trim & toes need backing all round a fair bit. Can't see why that crack would be hard to treat, but the fault line - dent - that continues to the coronary border may be permanent - that won't affect hoof health/strength though. Be interesting to see post trim pics.
         
        10-11-2013, 01:26 AM
      #17
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by loosie    
    Due for a good trim & toes need backing all round a fair bit. Can't see why that crack would be hard to treat, but the fault line - dent - that continues to the coronary border may be permanent - that won't affect hoof health/strength though. Be interesting to see post trim pics.
    She was trimmed 5days ago... did the farrier not take enough off?
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        10-11-2013, 02:10 AM
      #18
    Trained
    Oh.... OK.... On the ground surface, walls don't look too long, except perhaps a tad at the quarters & maybe heel(s), but those very stretched toes(well, entire front halves of feet) haven't been addressed at all it seems. No wonder the crack has been 'incurable' if flares don't get addressed. You can learn the whys & wherefores of hoof balance pretty well at Equine Lameness Prevention Organization

    The sole pic I've drawn on shows approximately where I'd 'back up'(very strongly bevel) the walls back to, approx where they should be if not flared. The pic of hoof on the ground shows approx where it appears the wall should be if strongly attached.

    I also think it's important to dig/clean out cracks as much as necessary to remove diseased tissue, as it's next to impossible to kill the infection if not - mind you, if flares were addressed adequately, there may not be much more to resect. Untreated infection is also a common cause of perpetual cracks too.
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        10-11-2013, 03:04 AM
      #19
    Yearling
    Makes much more since now! I will be sure to discuss this with the farrier.
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        10-20-2013, 03:00 PM
      #20
    Foal
    Does white line separation also have symtoms of gaskin muscles being sore? My horse also wont let me touch or brush him kind of hard to get him to exercise. He is also really spooky and jumpy. Any ideas??? =)

    ~thanks
         

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