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post #1 of 6 Old 02-16-2017, 02:06 PM Thread Starter
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Question What should I do now? Please help if possible...

Hello,
I am not really sure what to do now...
I have been trying to find my old lease horse and pony for a really long time Both of them were last known to still be in the state of Maine. Since they were gone I never stopped looking, I just need some help and insight on what my next steps should be.

I started to lease a cute little grade quarter horse/halflinger gelding by the name of Redford (Red) from a place called Crowninshield when I was 9 & 10. I had leased him for about a year but he was brought to Hemphills (a horse dealer, the same place where they got him from) without me knowing and was traded in for a solid appy (who they still have to this day.) I had no notification that he was leaving even though I was leasing him. Wouldnt you think they would at least tell me or give me a little heads up that he was leaving? I was only 10 years old and that pony was my only friend. We had formed a really strong bond and he was taken away without a word. The day before he left I had promised him an apple the next time I would see him... But he was gone the next day... and I never got to say goodbye. By the time I found out he went back to Hemphills I had my mom bring me but he had been sold and was already gone. The people at Hemphills gave me three different stories about where he went and what happened to him. Not only did they lie to me about where he was but also said that they would get in contact with the person who he was sold to and ask about him for me, which they never did. When I contacted them to ask about weather or not they had called the person he was sold to they called me a freak (again, I was only 10 years old. Just asking them if they followed through on their promise) They are very unprofessional... but then again, they are horse dealers who sell to kill buyers. Its a horrible place. Because of their lies I fear that he might have been brought to a kill pen. (Hemphills doesnt care about the horses, only money. )

As for Monty (who used to be called Domino before he was sold to Hidden Valley) I had leased him for a few months back in 2014, I got close with him and formed a bond. I should have known better because of what happened with Red... especially since I knew monty would be up for sale eventually... I just didnt know exactly when that would be. I got short notice that he was leaving... such short notice in fact that by the time I was told he was already sold. Unlike with Red I did get to spend his last day at hidden valley with him, just hanging out, bringing him out to graze while I brushed him, my last ride on him and took tons of last pictures and said goodbye properly. I just wish I had more time. Everytime I bond with a horse they are taken away (which is why with the horse im currently working with I have used caution when im with her... just incase. But we are attatched anyway so I completely failed with trying not to bond with her lol.) I didnt get attatched to any horse after Red until Monty. Which was probably stupid of me because now im heartbroken over two horses. Hes registered APHA as IMA HANDSOME ZIPPO ...gorgeous boy. He was sold in August to someone from Floods, a dairy farm) That bought him for his/her daughter only because "she likes only paint horses, they are pretty and they think monty is a good fit for her because hes got cool markings and nice color." well, the thing is... You cant ride color if you dont know how to control it... lol. The daughter apparently couldnt handle him from what I heard so they sold Monty to a woman thats apparently going to show him. That is what I need to figure out - Who that woman is that Floods sold him to. But to find that out I'd need to figure out which Flood it was that had him in the first place. I messaged a woman that is a Flood but all she said was that it wasnt her and was probably one of her siblings that bought him, but didnt tell me which one she thinks it was. She was nice about it though. (One of my friends who had a lease on Monty before me had got in contact with floods, thats how I know about Montys sale from floods to the woman... but we still cant figure out exactly who bought him from Hidden Valley.) I have his registration number. Couldnt I track him through that if I called APHA?

I love these two boys so much and I think about them every day. I hope to find them and once I do I want to buy them if possible. If they are not for sale Id at least like to request first refusal incase their current humans sell them eventually. I just want to be able to see them one last time, Id give anything just to see them, even from afar, I need to know they are alright and happy and healthy. Now that I am 18 and I can afford to keep horses I havent got any yet because Im waiting for them to come home.

I know its probably a longshot but Im not going to give up on them, I have been looking for Red for about 7 years now and Monty for nearly 3. Unfortunately I have come to somewhat of a dead end on both of them. They have their custom halters for if (when) they come home, and Red will finally get his apple as promised by my ten year old self from back in 2010.

My questions are what should my next steps be? If I call APHA about Monty do you think they will help? What should I say if I call? Red is unregisterable, so I cant track him through that. What should I do? (Please dont say that I should give up on them, I can't.) Not a day goes by that I dont think about them. You might think im just being dramatic about this, but Im litterally in pain because they are gone. It feels like im in mourning for them but not exatcly, I dont know how to explain it. If anyone has ever gone through something similar then you probably know what I mean. All I know is that I need to know if they are safe. Not knowing what happened to them or where they are and if they are okay or not and just plain missing them has put me in a depression for the passed nine-ish years.)

Pics: http://www.horseforum.com/members/24...d-monty-17241/

(I don't know if this is the right forum to be posting this in or not, I know this was really long... sorry lol, thanks for reading! )

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post #2 of 6 Old 02-16-2017, 03:35 PM
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I'm not sure if the APHA will help you on Monty but I really doubt it as they probably would want to protect the privacy of the current owner. And, I hate to say it, a lot of the time when registered horses are put down it's not reported to the breed registries. They stay active on the registry books but are long gone or the transfer papers didn't follow the horse.

I know this sounds crazy but you might join the APHA as a member for one year and that would probably give you access to their magazine "Chrome". Then, if you really wanted to spend the money, buy a small ad saying that you are looking for this horse. As for Red, it seems like you have done everything you can.

I do know how you feel, though. No matter how tough we try to be I think a lot of us long time horse owners have fallin in love with a particular horse that was not ours and whose fate we couldn't control. I caution all of my lesson kids about this but of course it happens anyway. I've had to put 2 of my own down and still feel it.

From my many, many decades (I'm as old as dirt!) of living and horses, I can only offer this advice. You say you can now afford a horse but want to wait for these two. I say, consider adopting a rescue horse in the meantime. So, so many horses in need and pouring yourself into a horse in need will really take a lot of the sting out of losing Monty & Red. It will help you heal. And....unlike those two, you will have control over whether or not they are sold.
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I'm not sure if the APHA will help you on Monty but I really doubt it as they probably would want to protect the privacy of the current owner. And, I hate to say it, a lot of the time when registered horses are put down it's not reported to the breed registries. They stay active on the registry books but are long gone or the transfer papers didn't follow the horse.

I know this sounds crazy but you might join the APHA as a member for one year and that would probably give you access to their magazine "Chrome". Then, if you really wanted to spend the money, buy a small ad saying that you are looking for this horse. As for Red, it seems like you have done everything you can.

I do know how you feel, though. No matter how tough we try to be I think a lot of us long time horse owners have fallin in love with a particular horse that was not ours and whose fate we couldn't control. I caution all of my lesson kids about this but of course it happens anyway. I've had to put 2 of my own down and still feel it.

From my many, many decades (I'm as old as dirt!) of living and horses, I can only offer this advice. You say you can now afford a horse but want to wait for these two. I say, consider adopting a rescue horse in the meantime. So, so many horses in need and pouring yourself into a horse in need will really take a lot of the sting out of losing Monty & Red. It will help you heal. And....unlike those two, you will have control over whether or not they are sold.
Thats exactly the reason why I have put off calling APHA... I had a feeling they probably wouldnt tell me any owner info. (I will keep trying to find them, even though I am probably holding on to false hope.)

I am so sorry for your loss...

The rescue horse is a great idea! I cant believe I didnt think of doing that.

You make many good points, thank you :)
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post #4 of 6 Old 02-16-2017, 04:54 PM
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Did you try Facebook groups? My Arab Harley was recently tracked down by his original owner who put a picture of him, along with his full name, on a Facebook group. I saw it and nearly fell off my chair. She bought him in 1999 when he was 5 months old! I replied immediately and we chatted for a long time. She didn't ask to buy him back (he's not for sale anyway - I told her he has a forever home with us!), but asked if she could visit. I said anytime. Sent her a bunch of pictures and she sent me some that she had taken many years ago. She had to sell him because she got divorced and was heartbroken about it.

Funny thing is, I had already tracked down another of his previous owners - also through Facebook. She nearly cried when I contacted her and asked if she had owned Harley in the past. We are now friends on Facebook so she can see photos of Harley all the time! I recently posted a picture of Harley smiling for her birthday :)

I hope you find your horses, but be prepared for disappointment. It seems like my story is the exception, not the rule. I'm thrilled that I now know every owner but one. It helps me understand where my horse has been - and appreciate just how much he was loved his entire life! It explains a lot about him. But I know not everyone is as lucky as me. And if you find your horses, hope that they are either for sale, or are owned by someone who loves them just as much as you did. That's all you can ever hope for, and maybe it would help you move on.

One last thing that may not be relevant, but I'll mention it anyway... the Internet is your friend, but remember that women often change their last names. Both the former owners of my horse had, which is why it took a while for us to find each other.
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Did you try Facebook groups? My Arab Harley was recently tracked down by his original owner who put a picture of him, along with his full name, on a Facebook group. I saw it and nearly fell off my chair. She bought him in 1999 when he was 5 months old! I replied immediately and we chatted for a long time. She didn't ask to buy him back (he's not for sale anyway - I told her he has a forever home with us!), but asked if she could visit. I said anytime. Sent her a bunch of pictures and she sent me some that she had taken many years ago. She had to sell him because she got divorced and was heartbroken about it.

Funny thing is, I had already tracked down another of his previous owners - also through Facebook. She nearly cried when I contacted her and asked if she had owned Harley in the past. We are now friends on Facebook so she can see photos of Harley all the time! I recently posted a picture of Harley smiling for her birthday :)

I hope you find your horses, but be prepared for disappointment. It seems like my story is the exception, not the rule. I'm thrilled that I now know every owner but one. It helps me understand where my horse has been - and appreciate just how much he was loved his entire life! It explains a lot about him. But I know not everyone is as lucky as me. And if you find your horses, hope that they are either for sale, or are owned by someone who loves them just as much as you did. That's all you can ever hope for, and maybe it would help you move on.

One last thing that may not be relevant, but I'll mention it anyway... the Internet is your friend, but remember that women often change their last names. Both the former owners of my horse had, which is why it took a while for us to find each other.
Thats amazing!

I did join a facebook group called "where is this horse now?" awhile ago but I havent posted about them yet... Ive just been looking at the horses on the page and I get caught up doing that so I keep forgetting to post lol I probably should do that now so I dont forget again.

thanks for your input and reminding me about facebook :)
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post #6 of 6 Old 02-17-2017, 08:23 AM
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Thats amazing!

I did join a facebook group called "where is this horse now?" awhile ago but I havent posted about them yet... Ive just been looking at the horses on the page and I get caught up doing that so I keep forgetting to post lol I probably should do that now so I dont forget again.

thanks for your input and reminding me about facebook :)
That's great, but I would go further and join all the paint and Haflinger groups in the areas where you think they might be. The thing about those "where is this horse now?" groups is that only people searching for horses join them. People who have the horses you're looking for have no reason to join a group like that. But if you're in paint groups and Haflinger groups, you might see a photo of them. You can also do word searches in those groups for their names and post in them yourself. In this day and age, almost everyone is on Facebook.
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