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        06-29-2010, 09:39 PM
    That's very nice !!!! Your really good! And if your not certain what to add in other drawings just remember somtimes adding to much can ruine a picture. But you did awesome on that drawing!!! =D
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        06-29-2010, 11:01 PM
    Green Broke
    Thank you everyone! I'll add a little more shading along the pier like Kayty suggested.
        06-29-2010, 11:22 PM
    Originally Posted by payette    
    I totally agree! The water you've done works well in your picture.
    I 'third' the motion
        06-29-2010, 11:26 PM
    Green Broke
    So you think it looks okay as is?
        06-29-2010, 11:28 PM
    I like the second one best. LOVE the dog's coat!
        06-30-2010, 02:03 AM
    3neighs it definitely looks ok as it is for sure, you could EASILY get away with leaving it, I just think, from my own experience, that adding that liiiittle bit more depth to it will really draw the pier and dog off the water ;) But hounestly, if you're worried about overworking it (which can happen, I've done it before, you think a little bit here, oh I might do a little bit more here, and just a bit more here, and suddenly you go OH BUGGER I've over done it!) then I would leave it how it is :)
        06-30-2010, 09:56 AM
    Green Broke
    Thanks equiniphile!

    Okay, so I went ahead and slightly darkened that edge and I think it did help "lift" him up a little.

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    As for overworking things, I think I tend to underwork my drawings. When I see your (kayty) and some of the other artists' work, they all seem so much darker and more detailed and I wonder if I'm quitting too soon. I mainly use only graphite 2b lead and I only use charcoal on the darkest areas such as the eyes and nose so maybe I just need to experiment with more of a variety of leads. I'm also not good at whipping up things from my imagination. Everything I do is from a photo and I use the grid method to get correct proportions. I know we all have our own style that sets us apart from other artists, but I really want to reach that caliber of being good enough to sell my work!

    Again, thanks to everyone for the compliments and tips!
        07-01-2010, 08:48 AM
    Yep I like that :)

    As for getting detail/tone etc. It's all practice practice practice and a bit more practice!
    Graphite and charcoal are two very different types of media and don't combine so well. I would try incorporating a 6B or even 8B pencil into your drawings to get the darker sections.
    You need to have tonal values from 1-10, with 1 being white and 10 being black, and spread them evenly through the drawing. So you'd have some 10 in the eyes, in the nostrils, a few flecks in the ears and then a few flecks through the coat in the dark areas.

    Don't worry, I'm no good at coming up with things from my imagination either, I work straight form a photograph, or a number of photographs so that I can chop and change bits from every photo to get the drawing I want :)

    You'll get there, you have made a fantastic start, may I ask how old you are? You have achieved excellent detail in this drawing, and I promise, you will only improve :) I'll have to try and find some of the drawings I did when I started out to make you feel better!
        07-01-2010, 09:04 AM
    Green Broke
    Thanks! I just turned 37. Drawing is something I started doing in elementary school. Got out of it by high school and studied journalism in college. (Kicking myself now for not studying art!) After first daughter came along I got into acrylic painting, but after lurking on the art forum here I decided to get back into drawing. Having never had a formal art class, I've learned everything I know from books and online. The discovery of a kneaded eraser has been a revelation for me, lol!

    I will look into getting some darker leads. Can you give me an idea of where to order supplies from? There's not much around here in the way of art supply stores.

    Again, thank you so much for help!
        07-01-2010, 09:12 AM
    Plenty of time to learnt then
    I'm the same, started drawing a bit and having some lessons when I was in primary school at about 9/10, then did all the art subjects in high school and started doing commissions at 14/15. Finished school and went to uni, still there- typical! And studying environmental management so no where near art!
    I've never been fond of people 'teaching' me as such, I learn best from my own trial and error and picking up hints from other artists with a similar style to myself.

    Kneaded erasers are the best! I've got stacks of them and rely on them all the time, particularly as I work mainly in pastel, it gets pretty messy without them!

    My favourite graphite pencils are Derwents, you can go onto the Derwent website and have a look as I think they list suppliers.
    Also have a look on Ebay, I have picked up a lot of my materials from there for cheaper and brand new! Just look up 'Derwent graphite pencils' and something should come up. I recommend getting the basic set of 12 rather than sticking to only having 1 or 2 of them, you have so much more selection that way.

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