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  • Does trainer pay a ring fee if giving lessons on private barn
  • Are trainers charge an arena or ring fee whrn they give lessons at a facility

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    05-11-2012, 12:29 PM
  #11
Yearling
If the trainer is on the property then the barn must have insurance to cover them
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    05-11-2012, 12:35 PM
  #12
Green Broke
Around here there are a lot of "outside" instructors/trainers and they don't mind a reasonable fee. To them it is still cheaper than the liability insurance and hassle of doing business on their own property.
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    05-11-2012, 02:00 PM
  #13
Foal
Great responses, great perspectives, appreciate all the comments. I think Maura, you said it best, not nearly enough $$ in boarding, and coaches should pay a ring fee. Dreamcatcher arabians, I agree that its good to limit the coaches for that reason. I despise barn politics, and some of these coaches who freelance really come with interesting personalities.......I really want it to be a serious business and run as respectfully as possible.
     
    05-13-2012, 12:30 PM
  #14
Foal
A barn typically has an inhouse trainer. If that trainer does not cover certain disciplines that boarders are looking for then yes, outside trainers should be allowed. It keeps a wider variety of boarders attracted to the barn.

Our barn allows this, without fee, if it meets the above criteria. In other words there is no conflict of interest. But there is no exclusive use of the arena. As a boarder I appreciate this, because it helps keep my lesson fees lower. I understand the reasons for charging a trainer, and again I appreciate that my boarding facility doesn't. I'm sure if there was a trainer conflict or other issues with the non-resident trainer that the outside trainer would be blocked.

The barn can charge a trainer a "usage" fee, but most likely that trainer will just turn around and pass this off on your boarders who are taking the lessons.
     
    05-13-2012, 02:18 PM
  #15
Yearling
In my experience, all stables charge a fee for any trainers. I have had prices from $5-15 per session. I much prefer a stable that does not have a trainer onsite. In my experience, onsite trainers were not highly trained enough to suit my learning needs, they are more for begining riders or focused on training horses instead of training people to ride their horses.

I would never stay at a barn that did not allow outside trainers.

But then that was in my highly competitive Dressage days, you may have a different type of boarder. Mostly I traveled to the instuctor's farms for lessons. Four to six hours round trip including the 45 minute lesson, plus gas, food & $80-120 per lesson fee.

I think an extra 5-15 dollars to have the trainer come to the farm is a bargin...
     
    05-13-2012, 02:59 PM
  #16
Yearling
One rather busy barn I used to board at allowed outside trainers without a fee, but they did not have exclusive use of the arena. Boarders could happily share it and ride around the lessons. This was the case with the in-house instructors as well. The barn owners also reserved the right to boot anyone who was causing problems. For instance, I know of one outside trainer who got barred from teaching there due to repeated instances of her hassling other boarders who were using the arena while she was giving lessons, and people starting to feel uncomfortable using the ring as she would shout at them if she thought they were in her way.
     
    05-13-2012, 03:37 PM
  #17
Yearling
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Originally Posted by thesilverspear    
One rather busy barn I used to board at allowed outside trainers without a fee, but they did not have exclusive use of the arena. Boarders could happily share it and ride around the lessons. This was the case with the in-house instructors as well. The barn owners also reserved the right to boot anyone who was causing problems. For instance, I know of one outside trainer who got barred from teaching there due to repeated instances of her hassling other boarders who were using the arena while she was giving lessons, and people starting to feel uncomfortable using the ring as she would shout at them if she thought they were in her way.
This is a very good point! There is nothing worse than having an instuctor think they own the place when on the premisses. Some of the worst I have seen hogging everything are onsite trainers. The instructors need to stay in one area of the arena or something, unless it is a clinic. On clinic days, part of the rider & auditor fee goes to the hosting stable.

The best facilities have clearly stated rules regarding boarder & instructor usage, and any fees. Same thing with horse shoers, no extra fees usually, but no exclusive rights either.
     
    05-13-2012, 07:46 PM
  #18
Green Broke
Boarding places are so competitive here (80 billion of them) that if they exclude outside trainers or charge a fee, you'll spot 80 bazillions desperate ads from them for more boarders on Craigslist.

My dressage trainer travels but only if there are multiple people taking lessons one after the other on the same day. I board with my old trainer who moved me on to her trainer after I "outgrew" her, so she, I and her neighbor all have our lessons on the same day. Works for us! I don't have "exclusive" use of the arena during my lessons but since the only people who use the arena are the ones that have lessons with this trainer, we don't ride during someone else's lesson out of courtesy.
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    05-13-2012, 08:06 PM
  #19
Yearling
Why are they seeking outside training if you have 3 onsite trainers? If it's a different discipline fair enough and I would charge a fee to cover liability
     
    05-24-2012, 08:02 PM
  #20
Weanling
I think it matters on if it's private or public. Public barns offer lessons and use their own instructors, and it's counter-productive to allow outside instructors in. I hate public barns because I can't stand the constant traffic of lessons.
Private barns usually do not offer lessons to the public, if they offer lessons at all. Most private barns allow outside instructors in (as long as the instructor has insurance), since the private barn doesn't do a major lesson program. They do not charge for outside instructors. I prefer private barns because they're quieter, and I can use my own instructor.
     

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