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        10-09-2013, 02:58 PM
      #21
    Trained
    Call your local animal control and see if there's a law against padlocking the horse in the stall. Where I used to live it was illegal due to the possibility of fire and not being able to get the horses out. I hope you have before pics and take current ones to show deterioration, so you can produce them if needed.
         
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        10-15-2013, 12:12 PM
      #22
    Weanling
    Any update on this? Hope everything worked out alright.
         
        10-15-2013, 01:27 PM
      #23
    Trained
    It was updated......it is on the previous page.
         
        10-15-2013, 02:10 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    Whoops! I totally missed that. Thanks!
         
        10-16-2013, 10:30 AM
      #25
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lilypoo    
    We met a Deputy there on Saturday and the HOA board and community manager came and held an emergency quorum. We agreed to an amount to settle the bill and they agreed to take the funds from me directly, when previously they had refused to deal with me. It was only about $100 more than it "should" have been.

    The Deputy refused to make them release the horse and said we'd have to go to court after the community manager produced a livestock statute on her phone. Personally I believe they were all misinterpreting the statute...it doesn't seem to apply...but my hands were tied. They said they had an automatic lien.

    Complicating things, we found out the neighbor had allegedly been removing my horse's food for weeks, potentially. The board had known and hadn't done anything to help the horse. They said they were preparing to take action in the coming week.

    So that was Saturday afternoon and we had to leave him there till Monday evening, after I could get a cashier's check and drive it 75 miles round trip to settle our bill. I had him sedated and trailered to his new home.

    He is very, very happy at his new home so far. He really seems to enjoy having the run of an entire irrigated acre and he enjoys all the other animals that are there (another horse, goats, sheep, chickens, ducks, dogs, a pig, etc.). I am incredibly relieved that he's out of that facility. It's a terrible place and there seems to be so much corruption. I hope to be able to enjoy him more at his new place, even though he won't be right around the corner, there won't be any politics or anything to remind me of my horrible experience with that house and community!

    Now that your horse is moved and they are paid, time to make a call to a lawyer and sue both the neighbor and who ever is on the board. They knew the neighbor was removing your horses food and they did nothing. They contributed to your horse not being fed and neglected. That is animal cruelty/abuse. I personally would make their lives miserable.

    Glad your boy is doing better.
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        10-25-2013, 12:30 AM
      #26
    Foal
    I'm 15 years old and have two paint horses. They are my life, literally. I've been through a lot of hard situations in my life and my horses are the only think keeping me from really hurting myself. I board at a stables that charges $300 a month but do the second horse it's $275. Because of our financial difficulties right now, we've managed to get back board up to $2,800. I can't sell them I don't have it in me. The "agreement" was that if you're 2 or more moths behind on your board the owner technically owns your horses until back board is payed. But, she never gave us a contract to sign. So does that mean that I can take my horses out? The owner is spreading nasty untrue rumor about my family and I, to the point where I can't even go out there without feeling uncomfortable. Being that my horses are all I have, I would love to actually enjoy them again. They're everything to me. I also don't want any hard feelings but I will do anything to get them back. I also think that she is trying to over charge on board because she claimed that she had just got my horses hooves done two weeks ago and charged me $75 but when I went out there, their hooves were about curled. That's not even possible. My farrier is very trusted and even the worst farrier in the world couldn't do that bad of a job. But, I have no solid proof. So is it irrelevant? This is kinda urgent because I often literally get sick to my stomach just thinking about this whole situation. I feel as if my heart is being torn in two. I CANNOT lose them. Please give advise! Thank you!!!
         
        10-25-2013, 11:32 AM
      #27
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ccbmuggsey    
    I'm 15 years old and have two paint horses. They are my life, literally. I've been through a lot of hard situations in my life and my horses are the only think keeping me from really hurting myself. I board at a stables that charges $300 a month but do the second horse it's $275. Because of our financial difficulties right now, we've managed to get back board up to $2,800. I can't sell them I don't have it in me. The "agreement" was that if you're 2 or more moths behind on your board the owner technically owns your horses until back board is payed. But, she never gave us a contract to sign. So does that mean that I can take my horses out? The owner is spreading nasty untrue rumor about my family and I, to the point where I can't even go out there without feeling uncomfortable. Being that my horses are all I have, I would love to actually enjoy them again. They're everything to me. I also don't want any hard feelings but I will do anything to get them back. I also think that she is trying to over charge on board because she claimed that she had just got my horses hooves done two weeks ago and charged me $75 but when I went out there, their hooves were about curled. That's not even possible. My farrier is very trusted and even the worst farrier in the world couldn't do that bad of a job. But, I have no solid proof. So is it irrelevant? This is kinda urgent because I often literally get sick to my stomach just thinking about this whole situation. I feel as if my heart is being torn in two. I CANNOT lose them. Please give advise! Thank you!!!

    Not to be harsh, but if you are months behind on board your best bet is to sell them, pay off the back board and once your families finaces are better stablized and able to properly afford horses then look at getting another one.
    At one time or another most of us have had to give up our dream horse for a little while until the time was right again to have one.

    The boarding stable does have the right to recoup the monies owed, but I couldn't tell you if they have the right to say they own the horses until you pay.
         
        10-25-2013, 01:46 PM
      #28
    Green Broke
    I hate to say it, but I agree with the above. $2,800 is not a matter of one or two months... That's a lot. Frankly, you probably should have sold them sooner...
    There was a similar situation at a barn I used to board at--the owner stopped paying board on two horses, then stopped coming out. The owner was contacted, of course, but the horses were ultimately sold by the barn to recoup losses.

    If you just "take your horses" and peace out... Well, let's say that a bad reputation travels very quickly. You may not be able to find another place to board, and have legal issues to deal with.
         
        10-25-2013, 02:52 PM
      #29
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ccbmuggsey    
    I'm 15 years old and have two paint horses. They are my life, literally. I've been through a lot of hard situations in my life and my horses are the only think keeping me from really hurting myself. I board at a stables that charges $300 a month but do the second horse it's $275. Because of our financial difficulties right now, we've managed to get back board up to $2,800. I can't sell them I don't have it in me. The "agreement" was that if you're 2 or more moths behind on your board the owner technically owns your horses until back board is payed. But, she never gave us a contract to sign. So does that mean that I can take my horses out? The owner is spreading nasty untrue rumor about my family and I, to the point where I can't even go out there without feeling uncomfortable. Being that my horses are all I have, I would love to actually enjoy them again. They're everything to me. I also don't want any hard feelings but I will do anything to get them back. I also think that she is trying to over charge on board because she claimed that she had just got my horses hooves done two weeks ago and charged me $75 but when I went out there, their hooves were about curled. That's not even possible. My farrier is very trusted and even the worst farrier in the world couldn't do that bad of a job. But, I have no solid proof. So is it irrelevant? This is kinda urgent because I often literally get sick to my stomach just thinking about this whole situation. I feel as if my heart is being torn in two. I CANNOT lose them. Please give advise! Thank you!!!
    You should start your own thread about this if you want advice, not take over the OP's thread.

    I will say that you are lucky that the BO hasn't sold your horses yet. If it was any of the barns I'd been in and I hadn't paid board for around 5 months (what I figure with the amounts you gave) my horses would have been long gone, probably to an auction.

    It doesn't sound like the BO is starting nasty rumors about you, it sounds like they are telling people the truth. I'm not trying to be harsh and I know it is a hard situation to face, but you should not own horses if you cannot pay for their board or farrier care. If they're feet are starting to curl, you're lucky animal control hasn't already been called.
         
        10-27-2013, 06:07 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ccbmuggsey    
    I'm 15 years old and have two paint horses. They are my life, literally. I've been through a lot of hard situations in my life and my horses are the only think keeping me from really hurting myself. I board at a stables that charges $300 a month but do the second horse it's $275. Because of our financial difficulties right now, we've managed to get back board up to $2,800. I can't sell them I don't have it in me. The "agreement" was that if you're 2 or more moths behind on your board the owner technically owns your horses until back board is payed. But, she never gave us a contract to sign. So does that mean that I can take my horses out? The owner is spreading nasty untrue rumor about my family and I, to the point where I can't even go out there without feeling uncomfortable. Being that my horses are all I have, I would love to actually enjoy them again. They're everything to me. I also don't want any hard feelings but I will do anything to get them back. I also think that she is trying to over charge on board because she claimed that she had just got my horses hooves done two weeks ago and charged me $75 but when I went out there, their hooves were about curled. That's not even possible. My farrier is very trusted and even the worst farrier in the world couldn't do that bad of a job. But, I have no solid proof. So is it irrelevant? This is kinda urgent because I often literally get sick to my stomach just thinking about this whole situation. I feel as if my heart is being torn in two. I CANNOT lose them. Please give advise! Thank you!!!
    You should have made your own thread, but it's here, so I'm just going to reply.

    Listen, I understand how much your horses mean to you.
    I understand what it feels like to know in your mind that you would have shot yourself in the head a long time ago if it wasn't for those horses.
    I understand that you thank God every night for those horses, and I understand that they are your life. I've been there, I know that. Hell, I'm there right now, and I'll never leave that place.

    But honey, you need to think about them.
    Their feet are curling, the barn owner is probably not happy about them being there, and you can't afford to take care of them anymore. Do you think they are happy being in the middle of the whole situation? I heavily doubt it. I would consider leasing them off to another family.

    Leasing is not selling. They are still in your name, and you can still see them whenever you want. BUT, on a full lease, someone else can take care of them. Someone else can pay for them, and love them, and give them all the attention your beautiful babies deserve. And the best part? You can get a check for owning them! Maybe it's not much, maybe it's two hundred bucks for both of them to be on full lease to someone else. But sweetheart, it's a heck of a lot better than sinking further and further into debt. And one day, you'll finally get back on your feet and you can get them back, and they are fully yours again.

    This is seriously your best option, and the only thing I think you should do. At this point, you just can't be selfish. It will never work in the horse world.
         

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