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    09-06-2012, 01:28 PM
  #31
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Delfina    
Giving notice doesn't mean your horse has to be there. You can pack up, move and THEN give notice and pay up.

Don't burn bridges!
^^ This is a FANTASTIC piece of advice. ^^

I've always been able to give 30 day notice and not have a problem, however if I ever did feel there would be an issue, I'd just at the end of the month haul my horse home, go back in and pay, then give my 1 month notice. Your out the one month payment, but at least there will be no problems taking the horse home.
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    09-06-2012, 01:34 PM
  #32
Foal
Honestly, I've just had nightmare experiences boarding. I won't ever do it again. I just won't. I know there are very professional facilities out there, but when you are dealing with small towns and small town situations, your options are limited. It's also the reason I won't take on boarders. I just won't.
     
    09-06-2012, 01:50 PM
  #33
Started
Dream, I hope whoever you hauled that horse for really appreciates you! Were there warning signs with this BO? I'm only asking because I've never been in a true boarding situation, and it's so hard for me to imagine all of these extremely unethical jack#?*!
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    09-06-2012, 02:50 PM
  #34
Trained
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Originally Posted by aforred    
Dream, I hope whoever you hauled that horse for really appreciates you! Were there warning signs with this BO? I'm only asking because I've never been in a true boarding situation, and it's so hard for me to imagine all of these extremely unethical jack#?*!
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Yes, there were some warning signs, I would never have boarded a horse there, I've not been impressed with the BO's professionalism or her horsemanship.

The lady I hauled for had been there for years, before the new BO bought the barn. She stayed out of inertia.

And just in case anyone was wondering, I hauled her horse to another facility closer to home, not to my facility so I didn't gain a thing from this little adventure.
     
    09-07-2012, 12:40 AM
  #35
Yearling
As a BO, I'm not independently wealthy and do have a monthly budget which is why I require (and uphold) 30 days notice.

Personally most nasty situations can be avoided if the boarder would just do their homework. Check over the facility with a fine tooth comb. "Where is my horse going to be?" "What if I want him over here?" "What if he isn't getting along with his pasture mate?".. Ask the feed store, farriers, vets about that particular barn... Find their boarders on facebook and send them a message asking them what they like/don't like about that particular facility.

There are crazy barn owners and boarders... but barn owners are usually crazy as a result of years and years dealing with crazy boarders. ;o) hehe
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    09-07-2012, 01:40 AM
  #36
Weanling
Disturbing...

Hmm... as a barn owner, I can see several disturbing suggestions in your post... then again, we like to always do our part in maintaining good relationships with our boarders, whether they are leaving or not :/

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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
I'm going to peeve a whole bunch of barn owners out there [not peeved so much as thinking this whole thread seems irresponsible and self-serving] but I've really heard, read and experienced ENOUGH.

D O N ' T EVER [REALLLLLY? E-V-E-R? Better idea: How about not boarding at a place where you would be concerned about this contractual stipulation (in most instances) for any reason other than that you bought your own barn or found a comparable place closer to home?] give notice when you're moving your horse. It seems like lately everyone is using the notice for crazy stuff to keep people from their horses. [A good business owner wouldn't want to keep a horse they aren't getting paid for... and WOULD sue the irresponsible person who didn't uphold their end of a binding legal document. That aside, a barn owner CAN hold the horse until you have paid the amount owing on the remainder of your "thirty-day notice" (if one is required).

Example: You decide on June 1, after paying your month's board, that you would like to move. You choose not to tell the barn owner until June 15. The barn owner then has the legal right in many states to place a lien on your horse for the amount owing on the thirty-day notice (again, only if there is a contractual obligation). So, if board is $400, and you paid your $400 for the month of June, you will still owe $200 for the first 15 days of July if you wait until June 15 to give your notice. This $200.00 is typically due immediately in the event that you'd like to move your horse on June 15. If you don't pay it, barn owner can refuse to let you move your horse until you are paid in full (including the 30-day notice). The bottom line is that it has to be specified in the contract :/].

Make sure you are paid up on your horse board bill {YES!!!! This makes sense... however, "in full" means that you have paid the full 30 days from the time you let the barn owner know of your decision to leave. So, if you leave after paying June 1-July 1, but don't tell the board owner that you are leaving until July 20, you will still owe most of the board for the month of July. Be responsible, utilize effective planning and coordinating skills... it isn't hard.]. Find a new place to take your horse(s) and pay for a stall as of a certain date. Hook up your trailer or hire a hauler to go pick up your horse.

Example: June 1, pay your board bill in full. Go find a new place and pay for a new stall starting June 15[Ummm... no. Pay for the new stall starting July 1. Common sense.]. Start taking your stuff home a couple items at the time so that you don't have a huge packing job on the day. On June 15 go pick up your horse. If the anyone asks where you're going you have 2 choices. Either tell them it's none of their business or make up that your horse is going to the vet or a show or on a trail ride. Move the horse, call the barn after you're gone and tell them you're not coming back [The only way this would ever be acceptable is if the barn is not performing their due diligence and contractual obligation in caring for your horse. Example: Your contract says horse gets hay 2x daily and 4lbs grain 2x daily and in actuality, the barn only feeds your horse 2lbs of grain 1x daily and only gives them an insufficient amount of hay for one feed, much less two]. If they scream about 30 days notice, tell them you're giving them 2 weeks (since you already paid for the whole month) and tell 'em to sue you for the rest. [I wouldn't scream (as a BO)... I would sternly remind you of your contractual obligation and the fact that I have not breached any material term of our boarding agreement, which renders you fully responsible for paying the remainder of the board owing for the 30 day notice. Oh, and P.S., if I don't receive payment in full by "x" date, you will be served with a court date, I don't care if it is for $100.00 (filing fees for small claims aren't a big deal... plus, with an obvious breach of contractual obligations I know I'd get my costs back). It is all about being diligent and letting people know that you can't be taken advantage of.]

They won't bother, it's not worth the time and money [Actually, even if it is a small amount, it is a matter of principle. It lets people know that the barn owner (no matter how kind) can't be walked over and that the contract is in place (if there is one, again) for a REASON.]. Even if they do, show up and argue why you shouldn't have to give notice and cite these crazy threads and stories about people who have given notice and had nothing but heartache because of it [The only argument you need is whether or not the barn owner fulfilled their contractual obligation. If they didn't, then be prepared to have proof. Stories of other people's situations are irrelevant. Other case-law is relevant, and if idiots went around signing contracts knowing full-well that they didn't intend to be bound by them, then a lesson on life is in direct order.] . They probably won't prevail. [You are sorely misinformed. Good luck with that!]
However, in all... I'm guessing there is a huge back-story here with a situation where there was NO contract, or the barn owner did not fulfill their contractual obligations, due diligence, etc... In that case, it is a totally different story. Just playing the BO's advocate ;) Self preservation, you know? Hehe. If the BO is putting your horse's life in danger by feeding moldy hay, or putting the horse out in a pasture that was once electric wire but was repaired with barbed wire, etc... those would be potential breeches. Your horse having a scuff mark because his pasture buddy was being a horse and knocked your horse one (playfully), then that is life :/ If the BO knowingly puts your horse in with an aggressive horse, even after it has been established that the aggressive horse beats your horse doesn't let up (whether actually injured or not, because it would just be a matter of time)... that is a breach. Hope you find a barn where you settle in and find a good "barn family"!
     
    09-07-2012, 09:21 AM
  #37
Weanling
Thanks silly! After reading your post, it causes me to slightly change the order of things in my earlier post... A few days before the end of the month, pay up for the next month (that way you have 30+ days paid) and remove your horse BEFORE that next month starts, and give notice. Be positive all outstanding debt owed the BO is paid in this last payment.

Honestly tho, if you do your homework you shouldn't have to do any of that. Every time I've switched barns, I research the new BO, talk to the trainers working out of the barn, talk to other horse owners at the barn, and try to find people outside the new barn that work with the BO (ferrier, vet, ex-clients, whatnot). Also, if you don't have a detailed contract for me to sign, I'm not stayin'.
Works for me :)
     
    09-07-2012, 09:58 AM
  #38
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by starlinestables    
Personally most nasty situations can be avoided if the boarder would just do their homework. Check over the facility with a fine tooth comb. "Where is my horse going to be?" "What if I want him over here?" "What if he isn't getting along with his pasture mate?".. Ask the feed store, farriers, vets about that particular barn... Find their boarders on facebook and send them a message asking them what they like/don't like about that particular facility.
Yes - the interview process works both ways. As a potential boarder you can see first hand and ask questions. Visit more than once as you might have visited on a good or bad day the first time.

As a BO - I don't put a lot of faith into the horror stories I hear from people about other barns. If you boarded there, unless it changed drastically in a very short period of time, the responsibilty is yours.

Caring for other's horses, (cats, dogs and childern) is a VERY VERY difficult position to be in. There is simply no way to make everyone happy.

We have a contract and rules to try and keep things all up and open. There are still those that bad mouth, bash and out right lie.

For a true estimate of the situation - look at the stock. Are the horses bright and happy? Or standing with heads down or fighting? One thin horse is a horse issue. All thin horses is a management issue. Are there cats? Dogs? Friendly or sulking around?

Animals don't lie. People do.
     
    09-07-2012, 10:23 AM
  #39
Started
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delfina    
I recently brought my horse home from where he was boarded for various reasons. I didn't give a laundry list of reasons, say why I was unhappy or anything, just let them know that I decided he should be moved.

One week later my horse got into a fight over the fence with the neighbor's horse and sliced the back of his heel bulb open which required him to go on stall rest.... only I don't have a barn! I texted my old BO a picture of his owie and before the Vet even finished sewing him up, she was in my driveway with her trailer while her hubby was at the barn getting his old stall all ready for him.

Can't tell you how grateful I am that she dropped everything and hauled my horse back to her barn.
I had a very similar thing happen the only time I ever boarded a horse.

I bought a horse and boarded it at a nearby farm. A lady I trained for bought some property and once she had it ready for her horses, I moved mine, too. The very night I moved my horse, he got injured. There was a small, even puncture wound on his flank and his entire leg was swelled up like an elephant. He either rolled on something sharp and metal or someone shot him with a low caliber weapon (the vet apparently couldn't tell, which seems odd, but whatever).

There I was, stuck out in the middle of a field (no barn), late at night, with a horse that couldn't walk, unable to get the vet to call me back. The new BO didn't bother to come, but just kept on talking about how it wasn't her fault, etc. etc. I called up the old BO and they immediately hitched up their trailer and came over. They helped me load up the horse, took him over to their place, and called the vet (she answered their call because she knew them) and told her she'd better get her butt out when she was hesitant. THEN when the vet was accusing me of animal neglect (this was a really strange horse who would get an INSTANT infection whenever he was injured), they stuck up for me and verified my story that I had JUST walked the horse over to the new place a few hours earlier and he was fine then, so there was no way he had been injured and not looked after for several days like she was insisting must be the case.

Needless to say, I didn't move the horse back to the new place, but instead left him at the old barn until I decided to move him to my parents' awhile later.
     
    09-07-2012, 11:05 AM
  #40
Green Broke
In WI you can't hold someone's horse even for lack of payment. The BO must release the horse & take the issue to Small Claims Court if they wish. Most don't bother.

I've left barns without giving notice. I figured if the barn wasn't keeping their end of the deal they have already broken the contract.
     

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