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        03-31-2014, 01:32 PM
      #21
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by BossHoss    
    I offered to buy alfalfa cubes, and feed her 2x a day, and even take over her feeding so the barn owner wouldn't have to worry about it. All I got was " I don't do self care. We will need to discuss it. "

    I am having some serious trust issues where I'm not sure that I can trust her to feed the extra feed I buy for my horse, and like hell I'm going to pay extra for her to -maybe- feed my horse extra feed.

    Like I said.. I really like her. But this is putting a bad taste in my mouth. I'm between another crappy barn, and people I don't like, and sometimes my horse won't get fed like I pay for.. and this- which may or may not improve over the next 2 months, when the grass comes in.
    All of these are red flags to me. Your mare is clearly losing weight in this environment, the third picture says it all- she looks so desperate for some hay and yet is scared to take a bite for fear of the other horses. The BOs reaction seems more concerned with control over her business vs the welfare of your horse. I don't really see why there would be any issue of you taking on feeding your mare extra feed that YOU pay for to help put the weight your mare lost because of the BOs negligence and poor feeding management. If these 17 horses were were owned by the BO would she be managing them the same way? If so, if let to continue in these conditions your mare will just be a rack of bones in another two months. Seriously start looking around, you may like this new place better but your mare is suffering and if you and the BO can't come to some sort of agreement about better feeding management for your mare then its time to move asap. Everyday in those conditions your mare is losing more body condition.

    I have a question, do they have any place at all to stand out of the muck? A shelter of some kind? Some place dry? I would worry about thrush and other hoof issues occurring from prolonged exposure to muck and moisture. 17 horses on a smaller dry lot will produce a lot of manure and pee which is easily churned into the mud. Does your barn owner do anything to remove it? And can your mare even have access to the shelters if there is one or is she pushed out by other horses? Anyway I would keep an eye out for any thrush developing in your mares hooves, the last thing the poor girl needs is to be sore on her feet and even less mobile to move away from other aggressive horses.
         
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        03-31-2014, 01:51 PM
      #22
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BossHoss    
    I offered to buy alfalfa cubes, and feed her 2x a day, and even take over her feeding so the barn owner wouldn't have to worry about it. All I got was " I don't do self care. We will need to discuss it. "

    I am having some serious trust issues where I'm not sure that I can trust her to feed the extra feed I buy for my horse, and like hell I'm going to pay extra for her to -maybe- feed my horse extra feed.

    Like I said.. I really like her. But this is putting a bad taste in my mouth. I'm between another crappy barn, and people I don't like, and sometimes my horse won't get fed like I pay for.. and this- which may or may not improve over the next 2 months, when the grass comes in.
    If my horse looked like yours and I got that kind of response from the BO, I would be sitting in jail today and not in front of the computer. That is inexcusable.
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        03-31-2014, 02:02 PM
      #23
    Started
    I just confronted my former BM with the same issue and he told me I'm crazy for thinking she's too thin and for suggesting that he's not feeding her properly. I moved her to a different barn two weeks ago and she's already putting on weight.
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        03-31-2014, 07:06 PM
      #24
    Foal
    Going to talk to the barn owner tonight, probably. I have talked to the other boarders, and ex-boarders, and they all seem to be having the same issue. If we are unable to come to a compromise, I will have no choice but to move the horse back the barn I came from. I didn't like it there, but my horse wasn't starving, at least.
         
        03-31-2014, 07:23 PM
      #25
    Weanling
    Wow. It must be the time of year or the harsh winter because I can't think of any other reason why there are SO many threads out about bad boarding barns right now! SO messed up... I've seen horses taken away by rescues in that situation. If you want to stay at that barn and can handle the sight of other people's horses not being taken care of (your old barns rules don't sound great. It's YOUR HORSE and YOU ARE PAYING FOR BOARD. You have the right to your horse being properly fed, using the arena, and if you want to give your horse a treat or pet it, well once again THAT'S YOUR HORSE!) if I were you I would go for a full self-care situation. Self-care to me means that you are just paying for the space your horse takes up (stall and use of facilities). You buy your own feed, you feed, you muck (possibly have to buy your own shavings), you do everything. That's the way they do self-care at all the barns I've been to. It tends to be a lot cheaper as long as you can get out twice a day to take care of the horse.

    If I were you, I would check craigslist for private boarding at private homes instead of commercial boarding. It can be SO much better, as long as the owner won't kick you out for clipping and blanketing your horse like mine did ;)
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        04-01-2014, 12:37 AM
      #26
    Foal
    For the time being, we appear to have reached a resolution. My horse is placed in a small pen with another boarded horse who is also underweight. They get along, and are given their own feed in feedbags, and their own piles of hay. My horse is also going to receive one more feeding a day, and 2x alfalfa cubes.

    This puts my worries at ease for the time being.
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        04-01-2014, 03:33 AM
      #27
    Green Broke
    I do not know where you are located to have such shi##y BO.
    I hope that the skinny red horse behind yours is also put up, for the poor horses sake.
    That is abuse. That is starvation. If the boarding owner is doing this to all the horses, all the boarders need to confront her. She sounds to be a cruel person watching these animals slowly starve to death.
         
        04-01-2014, 12:01 PM
      #28
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BossHoss    
    The barn I moved her from was more expensive, and treated me like crap (as well as charging me for food my horse never got.) (Seems to be a common occurrence???)
    If a nicer barn opens up, I may very well consider it.

    I'm tempted to see if the BO will let me just take over feeding and charge me substantially less/no board. She obviously has a lot going on and while I respect that, her boarders are suffering because of it. I am going to see what I can do about just buying a 40 lb bag of cubes (not pellets, since she needs the roughage) and feeding her myself 2x day. If I'm buying the feed, and feeding it myself, I don't see why my costs would change.

    We shall see. X(
    Of course you really know that by taking on the extra expense of your own feed and the labor of feeding all of them, your board fee should be reduced substantially. $400.00 sounds like an extreme amount for this place.
    It is common practice in my area for stables to underfeed or feed very poor quality in a full care situation just to save money. That's why most people around here go with partial board, provide their own feed and hay so we know exactly what our horse is getting. Partial board here in the Midwest works out to about 40% of full care. The stable usually will let a boarder feed twice a day in exchange for a reduction in the board feed. At the place where I board it's $5.00 per feeding/watering for 32 horses.
    I'd go on the web & Craiglist & try to find somewhere to move. It's not acceptable or moral for a BO to starve horses just to make a little bit more money.
         
        04-01-2014, 04:10 PM
      #29
    Weanling
    This whole post is starting to make me angry and that doesn't happen easily- please don't be passive - do whatever it takes and get you horse out of that hellhole right away and stop dealing with that moronic BO.

    You alone are responsible for your horse. There is SOMEWHERE that is better than where she's at and if you can't find one take her back to a rescue where she'll be properly cared for.

    If anyone told me I couldn't feed my horse food I bought myself I'd tell them where to go so fast their head would be spinning!
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        04-01-2014, 05:29 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by EponaLynn    
    This whole post is starting to make me angry and that doesn't happen easily- please don't be passive - do whatever it takes and get you horse out of that hellhole right away and stop dealing with that moronic BO.

    You alone are responsible for your horse. There is SOMEWHERE that is better than where she's at and if you can't find one take her back to a rescue where she'll be properly cared for.

    If anyone told me I couldn't feed my horse food I bought myself I'd tell them where to go so fast their head would be spinning!
    Agree. It's one thing for the BO not to want to provide additional supplements or special food concoctions because the owner has a thing for beet pulp mashed with applesauce.

    I would almost be inclined to have the horse inspected by a vet who is not associated with the barn to determine if the horse is underweight and by how much. At the same time, the vet can rule out parasites and inspect the living conditions.

    If the vet believes a) malnourished and b) inhumane living conditions the OP then knows that she needs to move and it is not a maybe so matter.

    I mentioned earlier in this thread that my horse lost a lot of weight this winter. I don't believe it is because he is being neglected, but I do believe the hay quality is subpar. I am finding a great deal of weeds and tree debris leftover in his feeder. She is giving him the correct quantity but the hay itself has no redeeming value. That is going to be my hard discussion if I don't see him improving in the next month.
         

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