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post #1 of 10 Old 02-25-2014, 08:30 PM Thread Starter
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Need some advice.

So I had a vet out to assess my Clyde's weight and to give advice on what the best grain would be to build up her top line. I recently moved Shiloh to a new barn 2 months ago after the barn manager allowed another woman to bring her horse to the farm to board for the winter. Her horse was a male and my mare ended up getting quite damaged by him. I was told that he'd never been in a herd before and they let him out with our herd and he was very aggressive.

The vet today was asking about her and my new barn owner advised her that she hadn't been in heat since we mover her and told her about Tyson (the male). They thought maybe my Shiloh was in foal as one of the wounds on her side looked like wounds made from a male mating. I said I was sure that the male that hurt her was gelded, but I wasn't sure so I contacted the woman who's friend owned the horse to ask if he was gelded and she said she didn't know. DIDN'T KNOW!!! So she asked me why and I told her why I needed to know. I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HER SINCE!!

So my question:
If she is in foal. Who is responsible for paying the medical costs? I cannot afford, nor do I have the experience to be able to handle a foal so the pregnancy will have to be ended. Do I have any recourse? My Shiloh would have to go through something horrible and I don't feel due to their irresponsibility I should be responsible for the costs.

1: would the barn owners be responsible
2: would the barn manager be responsible
3: would the owner of the stallion be responsible
4: would the person that released the stallion into the herd be responsible
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post #2 of 10 Old 02-25-2014, 08:47 PM
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I think you need to identify positively whether the mare is in foal or not first and foremost.

Call your vet and have them examine her.
Do not guess and do not tip your hand by asking questions to anyone that can then cover their trail of incompetence in the care of your horse.

Maybe consulting a attorney would be best to get accurate answers about such technical questions on law and who is responsible and who pays...
It sounds like it could be she said, he said starting here.

Much will also depend upon how far along this pregnancy could be and what kind of vaccinations she has had in the recent past..
Horses are known to absorb pregnancies so nothing is written in stone unless she is far along.
Her injuries though are a issue that should be considered for compensation regardless of pregnant or not.

Hope her wounds heal and she returns to her "old" self soon...
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post #3 of 10 Old 02-25-2014, 08:50 PM Thread Starter
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Here are the wounds she had that prompted me to move her.
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post #4 of 10 Old 02-25-2014, 10:54 PM
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Get her checked out before you start pointing fingers. There is a shot you can give them to abort the foal, not sure how many days it can be up to though. I believe it's lutenizing hormone? I'm not really sure.

Also, idk how you plan to be "compensated" for her "wounds". They really don't appear to be anything more then missing patches of fur and maybe a little skin. It's not like they are going to need suturing or antibiotics or something. I'd agree that's a lot, but if the gelding was really aggressive should would have been in MUCH worse shape. This looks like the work of a high energy, playful and probably socially stunted horse.
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You say you had the vet there-did you not ask them then? My clyde X lives on air so to speak-no grain.……and there are exercises to improve the top line both mounted and unmounted. The last one in this video works well for the back, but they all are helpful.

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post #6 of 10 Old 02-26-2014, 08:50 AM
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I agree with slidestop.
None of those injuries you have now posted are more than superficial, although they are hard to look at. sorry...
Anytime a new horse is introduced to a herd situation there is going to be a pecking order disrupt and teeth & feet flying as it settles itself out.
If he was a gelding...he was a gelding and whooped a few butts and probably had his butt whooped by a few too.
If he was a stallion, then someone really screwed up on that introduction....

You though need to find out "Is she pregnant or not?"
Based upon the answer to the first question...
"Did she sustain any internal/external damage as you suspect she was mounted and possibly penetrated?"....
All things only your vet can and should be addressing in confidence with you.

Some "Vitamin E" or other horse cream of that nature will help your mare recover her coat sooner.

Best of luck.

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SlideStop - thankfully I have nothing to worry about as they're telling me the other horse is a gelding! I'm quite relieved. I would have fully intended to have her see a vet, I was just thinking of the "what-if's". Also, I never expected any kind of compensation for her wounds. They were superficial and didn't need a vets care, so it was something I wasn't looking for. It never entered my mind, they just prompted me, along with the BM's reaction to move Shiloh sooner than I meant to. I did see the male with the other horses and he was being anything but playful. He was in a panic because he'd never been in a herd before. Why they put him with other horses, I'll never know.

franknbeans - I wasn't there when the vet was looking her over, my BM asked her to take a look at Shiloh. Thank you for the video, I will definitely try some of their techniques. They're actually the same exercises that were recommended to me!

horselovinguy - Her injuries were only superficial, more missing hair than anything. There was only one spot on her that broke the skin, but a very small spot. The injuries and the situation around them is the reason I moved her. I wasn't told of this other horse coming until he was already there and I wasn't told of her injuries until they had already happened and I saw them. I wasn't given a call to tell me about them before I saw them, I just showed up and they were there, but I never suggested I wanted compensation for that.....other than maybe an apology.
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I tried to find the part in your original post... But it's gone. Unless I'm seeing things
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Hi Yissy, Hope your mare recovers soon, I'd be pretty upset if this happened to one of my horses too.
In my training career I have taken on two "geldings" that were cryptorchids (ridglings) and the owners didn't realize it. This is when an unscrupulous vet removes only one testicle when gelding. One of these horses was actually a registered Paint!
This causes the horse to act very much like a stallion and is very dangerous especially for newbie owners. In some cases these horses do retain some small portion of fertility.
One of the clients did the right thing and had the surgery done to complete the gelding even though the horse was older and had a hard, long recovery. The other client sold her horse immediately to an unsuspecting buyer who didn't have a clue as to what they were getting.
I actually bought an ungelded colt knowing he was a ridgling and got the seller to drastically reduce the price on him. The surgical gelding cost me $600.00, a stay over night at the clinic and antibiotic shots for 10 days.
This "gelding" may very well be only partially gelded and capable of fertilizing your mare but don't expect the owners to be honest about it. Or they may not even realize the problem as these horses are sold to unsuspecting buyers all the time.
I suppose you could try sending a letter to them along with your vet bills and see what happens. There is always small claims court which doesn't require a lawyer if you would want to try that. Good luck!
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Ive seen geldings mate with mares many many times. Don't matter if he's fixed or not. He still has needs! haha. I'm glad he is gelded so at least you don't have to worry about a baby on the way. To bad she's gotten so roughed up over it. Maybe things will settle as time goes on.
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