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post #11 of 36 Old 03-02-2012, 11:56 AM
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Any farrier worth their salt would know this and trim accordingly. Also, a barn full of lame barefoot horses that were all previously sound should be setting off alarm bells. Feed and farrier would be what I would blame, not wet ground.
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So it's the farriers fault if the horses are standing in muck? Interesting theory.

Soft outside and hard indoors = sore feet. Farrier or feed doesn't play into it. We have one mare with soft feet. If it's wet for days - she gets tender.
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post #12 of 36 Old 03-02-2012, 12:33 PM
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Any farrier worth their salt would know this and trim accordingly. Also, a barn full of lame barefoot horses that were all previously sound should be setting off alarm bells. Feed and farrier would be what I would blame, not wet ground.
Agreed 100% with Anebel! My mare has always been barefoot without issue as well, and if this happened to her I would know something was off...if it happened to her AND others who'd been previously fine and who had been trimmed by the same farrier, I would DEFINITELY take issue with the farrier!

And as for the trainer making a shoeing decision for you, that is just plain ridiculous on so many different levels!!! First of all, the difference in the cost of shod vs barefoot is a BIG one...I don't know about your area, but here in Ohio my bill for a trim is like $35. Shoes are hundreds. And second of all (and most importantly to me!), once you put holes in your horse's feet that's going to open him up for other issues, like abscesses just to name one. Now for a horse that needs shoes that's a sound risk to take to make sure your horse doesn't wear down his hooves too quickly, or just basically have them fall apart. But for your horse sounds like that was just a poor choice and your inexperienced trainer basically sticking a bandaid on the issue because that's all she knows how to do.

Either way, glad you're leaving...and the sooner the better, that trainer obviously isn't very well educated and it's sad that those people are out there, advertising themselves as experts.

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So it's the farriers fault if the horses are standing in muck? Interesting theory.

Soft outside and hard indoors = sore feet. Farrier or feed doesn't play into it. We have one mare with soft feet. If it's wet for days - she gets tender.
My barefoot mare has been up to her knees in mud for about a year now, it's been wet since last spring here in Ohio with no chance for anything to dry up and all the pastures here are mud lots. I ride her every other day indoors, in a sand arena and the aisles in our barn are concrete. No issues whatsoever, and she's been at that barn for several years.

Not saying it can't be the case for other horses, just saying that given the OP's situation, that's not really the likely answer.

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Thanks guys, clear one RBI hip, he didn't getshoes put, was going to but thankfully didn't cause she couldn't get him out but did inform not ask thatsne was putting shoes on him. Tha ks again!
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post #15 of 36 Old 03-02-2012, 01:29 PM
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How much notice do you need to give before you move?
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You are doing right by Ollie. Just because you are with a certain trainer or certain barn at one time, does not mean they are for you forever, especially now that you have a special needs horse. It is business like any other. I drove a Chevy Lumina for years and yes, it suited me fine, but now I want to pull a horse trailer and have 4 wheel drive since I work nights and often drive when the roads are crappy in the winter, before the plows come out. I did not feel bad about selling my Lumina to get a truck. I loved my little silver beater, but it could not do what I wanted, through no fault of its own, so I had to move on.

Think of it like that. Your new place sounds fabulous and you and your horse deserve the best.

My other word of advice, is to seek your own vet and farriers based on what you like and are looking for, get recommendations if need be, by trusted sources! When I was a kid my trainer took care of the vet, farrier, etc. Believe it or not, there are terrible farriers out there. You can usually tell a good farrier because they have a waiting list or are not accepting new clients... BUT, the nice thing about moving to a nice barn (like the one you describe) is they often already use these great farriers and many will squeeze in one more horse if he is at a barn he already goes to.

Good luck, and let us know how it goes.
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I know she means well and is just very young...
There is a reason behind the saying "The road to H*ll is paved with good intentions"...

It makes absolutely NO difference if somebody "means well" if they are not doing the right thing. The end. Period.

Something happened that caused all the horses to get sore feet. Even if you are able to give the trainer the benefit of the doubt and assume that it was just a massive coincidence and not the fault of a poor farrier or wet footing - it is STILL wrong to then overwork those horses and try to go for a fast fix by just "slapping some shoes on".

Sounds like you are making the right choice by switching barns...

Best of luck!
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You have plenty of valid reasons to move. I'd be gone just for the fact she worked my sore horse. Who does that?
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How much notice do you need to give before you move?
Are you serious? As has been said-take the horse ASAP, and let her try and take you to court for lack of notice.

I am very glad the shoes did not get put on....that would have created more issues. I am curious tho-as to what makes you think that the horse has immune issues? Just because of the pneumonia? I am guessing, just guessing here, that a person who would continue to work a sore horse most likely would not cool one off adequately, and perhaps THAT is where the pneumonia came from? I am also the she-devil when it comes to my animals or family-this girl would have been ripped a new one by now.......you are WAY to nice.

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Are you serious? As has been said-take the horse ASAP, and let her try and take you to court for lack of notice.

I am very glad the shoes did not get put on....that would have created more issues. I am curious tho-as to what makes you think that the horse has immune issues? Just because of the pneumonia? I am guessing, just guessing here, that a person who would continue to work a sore horse most likely would not cool one off adequately, and perhaps THAT is where the pneumonia came from? I am also the she-devil when it comes to my animals or family-this girl would have been ripped a new one by now.......you are WAY to nice.
I wasn't sure; it's something I wanted to at least ask about.
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