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post #11 of 26 Old 06-13-2013, 07:48 PM
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Unfortunately, how he is treated is the norm and maybe a little better than the norm. I've seen barn workers who were given a "place" to live as part of their salary. It was an old, falling apart camper shell with no running water or electricity, they had to use the bathrooms in the barn and cooked on a camp stove.

I'd slip the guy as fat a tip as I could afford before I left, and I'd be trying to see if I could get him hooked up at another barn that might treat him a bit better.

Be very careful though, dollars to donuts, he's not legal.

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post #12 of 26 Old 06-13-2013, 07:52 PM
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If I were him, I'd beef up my resume (with job experience) and find a new job elsewhere.

Most libraries have a volunteer program and some work on teaching foreigners to speak better English. It's free..

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post #13 of 26 Old 06-13-2013, 08:14 PM
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I agree he probably is not legal, which means he doesn't have a work visa or green card-far from citizenship. I have seen way too many barn workers treated like this over the years, and have made more than one BO aware that I will clean up after myself and my horse because 1) that is the way to do it and 2) I enjoy mucking, etc.....and they soon leave me to it. I am, after all the one paying the bills. I also. like you treat these workers just like I would treat another boarder....etc. Last I knew slaverly ended about 150 yrs ago. Someone who takes care of my horses and CARES about them is worth their weight in gold. Make sure he knows it, and I would not move. He will take great care of your horse.

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post #14 of 26 Old 06-13-2013, 08:15 PM
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If he is an illegal immigrant and the BO knows this then it's their call. If he is legal, then hopefully you have a labor relations board that looks into these cases. Every province in Canada does. Can you find out his home country? It's not to difficult to find some who speaks his language. It would have to be done on the sly so at to not jeopardize his job.
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post #15 of 26 Old 06-13-2013, 08:28 PM
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Assuming the guy is here legally, is it legal to pay someone less than minimum wage and no time off? Even when you hire someone privately as opposed to as a company, is that even remotely legal to take such gross advantage of someone? However, this is actually a business, so no excuse, really.

It's really just very sad. Legal or not, he is a human being, and is being taken advantage of. It's not an attractive side of humanity.
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post #16 of 26 Old 06-13-2013, 09:18 PM
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Starting out cleaning stalls and turning out horses myself in the beginning of my horse career and still further on when I moved up the pay scale- I worked with quite a few people from Mexico. They spoke hardly any English and I knew very little Spanish. Most communication was done through hand signals. I had made friends with them, they would *try* to tell me about ranches, horses and their family in Mexico and I would *try* to tell them about mine. If they made something good for dinner they would bring me a plate to share and I would return the favor by buying some beer for them when I went to store or a jug of hooch.
But they always appreciated kindness and the fact I treated them like a person and not a personal slave.
I agree, slip the man a few extra bucks and I promise he will be very grateful.

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post #17 of 26 Old 06-14-2013, 08:29 AM
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He very well could be legal and they are getting around it by paying him as a self employed contractor instead of an employee. If that is the only barn he works at they can get in serious trouble for that since he is working more than full time. The states want their taxes and they miss out on a lot when he is a contractor instead of an employee.

I would ask him point blank if he is a legal us citizen next time you see him. If he is there are many organizations out there that would help him. And also lawyers that would gladly go after any and all back pay he would be entitled to for his overtime and pay he should have gotten.

If you really want to help him you can always pm me and I will get you information on people that can help, if he is a legal citizen. Even if he isn't though there are organizations out there to help.
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post #18 of 26 Old 06-14-2013, 09:27 AM
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At the facility I trained at, the stable hand was an older man from Cambodia. He was completely legal. He'd arrive at the barn before anyone else, and leave after everyone else.

We all had one day off a week on different days to overlap the work load. There were 3 trainers and one stable had and when the stable hand was off, we took care of the stable. We also did our part around the barn and helped clean stalls on rainy days when the horses stayed in and things like that.

He was treated like crap too and technically we weren't supposed to help him because he was the stable hand and we were trainers.

If he was caught sitting down for a break he was yelled at. This one time I walked into the feed room and caught him sitting down...he looked panicked. I told him I wouldn't tell anyone, I was just here for some electrolytes, and to keep resting. Everyone needs a break.
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post #19 of 26 Old 06-14-2013, 02:27 PM
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Some of them are embarassed to take money. Maybe you could ask him to help you with something and then give him a huge tip.
These guys are worth their weight in gold. Better than the drunks and shady ex-cons we find too frequently around here.
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post #20 of 26 Old 06-22-2013, 03:46 AM
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If the man is of hispanic origin contact the nearest chapter of LULAC.
Even if the man has no "papers" what they are doing is illegal. If he is a citizen he needs to call the local employment commission. Slavery ended in 1860's in this country. Sadly there are many that take advantage of the "help".
This man has rights what ever his status is.
This is one of the reasons I volunteer to advise and counsel immigrants.
I have heard more cases of abuse like this than I care to remember.
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