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post #11 of 41 Old 10-10-2011, 02:44 PM Thread Starter
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Ok last question, what is the best way to make it sound good for her? This deal is great for me (and her) but how do I convey that? It seems many a times barn owners deny because there is nothing really good for them.
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post #12 of 41 Old 10-10-2011, 02:58 PM
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You are making this very complicated, hun. All you have to do is say, "Would you consider letting me work off some of my board?" If she says no, she's gonna say no whether you ask "perfectly" or not. And there's nothing wrong with asking.

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Ok last question, what is the best way to make it sound good for her? This deal is great for me (and her) but how do I convey that? It seems many a times barn owners deny because there is nothing really good for them.
What makes you think the deal will be 'great' for her? Money in hand is the best thing, not trading board for services from someone they don't know and have no idea if that person is even reliable.

In any case, you can't MAKE someone give you reduced board. All you can do is ask as politely as possible. If the answer's no, it's no.

Besides, if you're that tight on finances, what happens if an emergency comes up? Because they do. Are you going to expect the BO to pay for your vet call? That would be very unfair.

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What makes you think the deal will be 'great' for her? Money in hand is the best thing, not trading board for services from someone they don't know and have no idea if that person is even reliable.

In any case, you can't MAKE someone give you reduced board. All you can do is ask as politely as possible. If the answer's no, it's no.

Besides, if you're that tight on finances, what happens if an emergency comes up? Because they do. Are you going to expect the BO to pay for your vet call? That would be very unfair.
I was wondering that too. It doesn't usually benefit the BO at all. Unless they are short staffed, and even then, it's a risk.

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There's this facility I have just loved since I was 13 years old. (In college now.) I'm finally going to be getting my own horse and will be paying every cent. Since I AM a college student and only work part time, I need to cut expenses as much as possible.

This place is someone's backyard. One large tack room accomadates everyone. The whole property is only about 2 acres. There is a single wash rack, round pen, and good size pasture. All horses get rotated on pasture. Then there is a quality arena. All of this I have full access to. Stalls are 12 x 24 so very large. It isn't fancy, not a 'show' barn, but the ONLY place with spacious stalls (most are 12 x 12) and actual turn-out. I love that. Stalls are fully covered.

The board is 250$ a month with hay, full care, and full access to the whole facility. I would appreciate it to be 150-175$ a month. I would do self care, and could even do chores around the facility. (Turn out horses, bring them in, scrub out water buckets, help feed, etc.) I am also not using them as a trainer, but rather my friend, as she is more experienced and is helping me finish my horse for free and offering me lessons at 15$ for an hour. (I do hunters (flat) and competing, they are more Western. Plus, lessons there are 40$ for 45 mins.)
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How do I ask for this and get it without being obnoxious? I don't want to be that petty/mooching horse owner that is aggravating. I just want the best at the most reasonable cost and willing to work for it. I want to volunteer there for a couple months before I get my horse. Do you think this will lay the 'foundation'?

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I don't know where you are in AZ but I charged more for board than $250 when I lived in Catalina back in 2004. I had 24 X 36 mare motel corrals, fed 3X day and had no arena, no on site tack storage for the boarders. I had 5 acres and turned the horses out on that, but there was nothing even remotely like a pasture on the place. Everything was kept spotless and the horses were well cared for but it was certainly not what you'd call a high end barn.

So, IMO, if you're only paying $250/mo for all that.......SSSSHHHHHH don't remind them because they might realize they need to raise their board rates.
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I am not sure that you are doing them a favor at all. They take boarders because they want the income from doing that, and while you would be helping with the amount of work they have to do, you are also taking up space that another full paying boarder could use.
It's up to the barn owner if they are interested or not, all you can do is ask.
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I am cutting expenses to open savings more. Not being cheap and barely making a budget! And I have NO problem going into debt, having to cut things out of my personal budget, or even selling things to make an emergency bill. But I have worked that out and have an already established savings account in case something comes up immediately after purchasing. Saving and regular vet bills are already worked into expenses. If I can't work it off, I can pay 250-300$ for the board and hay. It isn't a problem. It'd just be nice!

And my second choice is 300$ a month for indoor climate controlled stalls, turn out, a fully covered arena, tack room, hay, etc (so many amenities) at a show barn. It isn't my top because the barn I am asking about is only about 6 miles from me, the second choice is the next town over. 250$ isn't a 'steal', but I good price most definitely!
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wow... i wish full board was 250 where I live. Full board at my stable with a 12X12 stall and a few hours a week of turnout (IF the weather is nice), a ginormous indoor arena (but no outdoor) and 2 showers with hot and cold water, is 500$. And that's a good price. Other places are even more! SOme less but they can be found deep in the middle of nowhere... and I live in the city.

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post #19 of 41 Old 10-10-2011, 03:42 PM Thread Starter
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A lot of places here are around 600$. It just depends on what breed, discipline, and how serious you are. If you are into Arabians (like myself), do English (like myself), and did youth nationals (one thing I don't), then you're looking generally at a minimum of 500$.

It's just because I don't mind working, don't seriously show (I do small and schooling shows), and have very cheap lessons. One friend of mine pays over 400$ just in LESSONS per month. Scary!
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I board at a barn much like you are describing. The Bo has now become my best friend. She is always looking for reliable (KEY WORD!) people to help do chores when she goes away, is busy with kids activities, etc. She has never mixed boarder with worker, to my knowledge, and I am sure that may complicate things. I am the only boarder who does chores, but that is because we are friends, not for any $$. YOu asked how it benefits the BO, and this would be how. Having a barn and boarding horses is a 24/7 job. Sometimes people want a break, or just need help with picking out pastures, cobwebbing, other things that keep the barn nice. Personally, I would visit the barn, talk to the BO and see if she sees this as a situation that might interest her. There are, obviously, others who really depend on the $$ and would rather do the work themselves. The worst she can say is no. I will also say that the going pay for chores, at least here is about $10/hr. So, if you can work 30 hours a month, you might have a better chance of the work at the bigger show barn. $500-300=200. Just a thought.

I am also pretty concerned that you are cutting the finances awfully close and may not be really realistic about costs. Perhaps you could look into a lease of some sort? I think you are not looking at this without the bias of "I want one.". JMHO.

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