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post #41 of 65 Old 06-19-2012, 12:55 AM
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I don't really know about the whole insurance thing, there's one of those signs that says the BO isn't liable for injury/death/stolen belongings etc. So does that mean she and her worker are not liable for anything? Something else to talk to her about anyway.
A sign that says, 'we're not liable for anything' does not necessarily make one not liable. Otherwise, I'd be wearing a sign that said that everywhere I went. 'I'm not liable for anything.'
Signs and waivers cannot, and do not, prevent lawsuits and judgements in liability against companies, businesses and/or the general public. While they may help a case by stating that the 'wronged' party knew the inherent risks, and chose to participate/continue farther in the endeavor anyway, they do not negate negligent behavior.
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post #42 of 65 Old 06-19-2012, 05:52 AM
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Absoluely not.....do you EVER, EVER smoke in a barn.....that is just the most selfish thing for someone to do that has the smallest clue about horses.
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post #43 of 65 Old 06-19-2012, 07:47 AM
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If a barn fire is attributable to cigarette smoking the insurance won't cover it. The owners are putting themselves at risk by either allowing it or turning a blind eye. You need to talk to them.
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post #44 of 65 Old 06-19-2012, 10:23 AM Thread Starter
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Just wanted to commend you for speaking up to the owner about the smoking- in no way should it be allowed, for all of the obvious reasons. As far as the dogs, personally I get annoyed when people bring their pets to a barn and let them run wild and poop everywhere. Good thing you're exploring other options- good luck! :)
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"A sign that says, 'we're not liable for anything' does not necessarily make one not liable. Otherwise, I'd be wearing a sign that said that everywhere I went. 'I'm not liable for anything.'
Signs and waivers cannot, and do not, prevent lawsuits and judgements in liability against companies, businesses and/or the general public. While they may help a case by stating that the 'wronged' party knew the inherent risks, and chose to participate/continue farther in the endeavor anyway, they do not negate negligent behavior."

Alright, Thank you. I am definitely going to talk to her about it.

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post #45 of 65 Old 06-19-2012, 11:16 AM
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This is going to sound bad. I'll smoke in my barn, however, they're no smoking signs up and written in the rules. I tell boarders "do as I say and not as I do" when it comes to smoking in the barn.
Yes you are right it does sound bad.
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post #46 of 65 Old 06-22-2012, 10:45 AM Thread Starter
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Ugh, just got into a fight with the idiot odd jobs worker. I wish I was still at my old barn
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post #47 of 65 Old 06-22-2012, 12:06 PM
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Here is something some of the barn smokers haven't taken in to consideration. Barns are full of fine hay dust which may or may not be visible, but it's there. The act of lighting a cigarette can ignite the dust which can turn into a huge ball of fire in an instant because the dust is everywhere. Tragedy results because it happens so fast.
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post #48 of 65 Old 06-22-2012, 02:00 PM
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smoking in barns

I don't smoke and wouldn't allow anyone else to smoke in my barn and neither should anyone else. Move your horse ASAP before it gets toasted by the idiot.
My dogs know how to behave around horses, they know to keep out of the way but I couldn't cope with dogs wandering around the place without control - that's an accident waiting to happen, they trip someone up, get kicked, trodden on, chew stuff, disagree with each other. No thank you. And these people who think its cute so see their dogs racing around a field all under their horses galloping hooves and getting kicked at. That is so going to end badly one day.
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post #49 of 65 Old 06-22-2012, 03:05 PM
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that's insanely dangerous! At one of the barn I have ridden at the instructor smoked in the barn. Hay catches on fire so fast! The dogs I don't mind as long as they don't run into the arena. At two of the barn I've ridden at, if the dog runs out infront of you its your job to stop and watch out even if your cantering jumping etc,!
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post #50 of 65 Old 06-22-2012, 04:32 PM
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I definitely wouldn't put up with smoking being allowed at the barn and would consider that a reason to move to another barn no matter how convenient the location or friendly the people. I have a hard enough time with the cobwebs at my barn... they do a pretty good job of keeping them out of the "common" areas but not so much in the stalls or less used corners of the barn, and cobwebs are a fire hazard, as well.

As for dogs, I think it's ok as long as the dogs are trained not to harass the horses, stay out their way in the arena, etc. If they're not, they need to be left at home or tied up out of the way. However, dog owners who bring their dogs also need to be aware that not all horses like dogs, either. Probably not a big problem at a small boarding barn like yours, but I board at a big facility with 75 stalls so there are always horses coming in and out and you never know if the new horses have been exposed to dogs or not. Shortly after I bought my horse, he tried going after one of the trainer's dogs while I was leading him out of the arena (seemingly unprovoked) so we thought maybe he didn't get along with dogs. He's never done this since and doesn't seem to give them a second thought now, but I'm still watchful whenever the dogs go near him. I'd feel awful if my horse injured someone's dog...
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