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post #1 of 20 Old 10-01-2012, 10:18 AM Thread Starter
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Trainer Fees, this one is tricky

Hi!

I have a trainer that would like to train others horses out of my barn. The trainer also boards her own horse at my farm.

She wants to use my school horses for her own lessons, is $10 a lesson fair to charge her?

She also wants to bring in other horses for a few months time to train them, this is the hard one, while I will of course be receiving board from them, I also don't think that the 'cost of business' is cheap, meaning for her to run her business and use the facilities for these other horses what should the fee be?

And last, there are a few boarders here that want the trainer to work their horses? This is much harder than I anticipated it being!

THank you in advance for any help!
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Yes I already have. I am covered but she is required to carry her own trainer liability policy with me/farm names as additional insured.
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Hi!

I have a trainer that would like to train others horses out of my barn. The trainer also boards her own horse at my farm.

She wants to use my school horses for her own lessons, is $10 a lesson fair to charge her?

She also wants to bring in other horses for a few months time to train them, this is the hard one, while I will of course be receiving board from them, I also don't think that the 'cost of business' is cheap, meaning for her to run her business and use the facilities for these other horses what should the fee be?

And last, there are a few boarders here that want the trainer to work their horses? This is much harder than I anticipated it being!

THank you in advance for any help!
I think 10.00 is fair per lesson. Usually when in training you just recieve board and it shouldn't interfere with other boarders using the facilities. Like she is the only one using the arena and such. If they bring in several boarders for training it is sometimes a reduced rate.
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post #5 of 20 Old 10-01-2012, 10:55 AM Thread Starter
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I think I am just having a hard time with it being 'free' to her to use the facility in excess even when I am being paid board. In a sense it feels like I am providing a beautiful facility for her to use for her own purposes without any kickback (other than board) to me? Meaning, she has no actual 'cost of doing business' Does that make sense?
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I think you should take a step back and rethink this. You only feel this way because she's a professional and it's coming off as a little greedy. If she is paying board to keep a horse there, then why does she have to pay a fee for facilities just because she's gettin paid to work the horse? Are your other boarders allowed to use the facilities or do they have to pay extra? If you didn't know she was getting paid to train the horse and you just though she was a regular boarder working her horse, would you want to charge her more?

You can certainly charge her a fee for training the other boarders horses.

I also don't see why you are concerned with the costs she may or may not be paying with her business. If you're getting your board and ring fees, what's the rest have to do with you? Just make sure that she isn't hogging the facilities and in turn blocking the other boarders from using the facilities or making it uncomfortable for them to do so.
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Do you charge regular boarders more if they are schooling their horses at your place and less if they just trail ride them elsewhere? She isn't using your facility in "excess". If she has 5 horses in training, she is bound to be using the facilities less than if 5 separate people were all boarding there simply because she's one person and there are only 24 hours in a day. She can't ride all 5 horses at the same time and create a traffic jam in the arena whereas 5 separate boarders could all be fighting over a single wash rack, the favored set of cross ties, whose hogging space in the arena and so forth....

Unless she is tying up your only round pen for hours and hours so that other boarders are unable to use it or requesting to have the entire arena to herself there is no reason to charge her extra You aren't doing any extra work or maintenance that you wouldn't be doing if her horses in training were regular boarder horses. Sound more like you are thinking "Oh look, here's a great way to make some easy $$$ without lifting a finger" and it's a good way to watch her pack up and leave which will reduce your income!
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DA said it well as far as the financial side of things go.

Another thing to consider is there are advantages to you as a barn owner having a trainer working out of your barn. It makes for a complete package to offer your existing and future boarders/clients. There are a lot of owners out there that really like having that perk and some that won't board at a barn where there isn't a trainer. It could draw more business in for you just by her simply being there.
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post #9 of 20 Old 10-01-2012, 11:08 AM
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There was a very good trainer here working out of a boarding barn a few years back. I remember another farm lured him away and lots of horses left with him, in I think the new place left him keep some of his horses there for free if he continued to train there as it made their place very popular even though they did not have an indoor arena like the other barn. He eventually got his own place & to this day, he is going strong with apprentices as he is getting too old to ride regularly. The other places were never successful, one closed down, the other is only full when a trainer is there, which never lasts long. So it might be something to consider, does a trainer working out of your barn draw in & keep clients?
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I appreciate the thoughtful, insightful posts however some are incredibly rude and obnoxious responses. My question was candid and sincere, and it feels like some of you are jumping all over me. I am a business owner, I have to do what is right for my business. There are incredible expenses to owning and operating a large farm. I am certainly not interested in 'making money without lifting a finger'. I have worked incredibly hard to have the facility and farm that I have, that comment was absolutely out of bounds. There is a COST of doing business. That's the point. Thank you for those of you who gave advice without being so rude.
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