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    04-02-2012, 12:12 PM
  #11
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Originally Posted by Corporal    
I'm sorry but I believe that you need to figure out what you want. If I was the instructor I think I'd be confused.
A 19yo babysitter (horse) doesn't need a trainer. The trainer is your teacher and you can yank your horse out of the trainer's lesson program anytime your wish bc the horse is now in private hands. However, it doesn't sound like you think the instructor will still give you lessons if that happens. Are you not paying $ for lessons? If sounds as if the lesson payment is partly the use of your horse in other lessons. It ALSO sounds like you are arguing with sound advice above, which you asked for by posting this thread.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand your post at all. I am not arguing with anybody, first of all. I am throwing out other factors in the situation. If you read my post, it says, yes, I agree. The Trainer is not a trainer for the horse. She is mine and my daughter's riding instructer. She rents space at a barn and has a certain number of stalls there. She boards horses (sub-leases, really) and teaches people to ride. Yes, I pay her for lessons for myself and my daughter. Yes, I pay her full-board. I pay her the same price as everybody else does for lessons. Yes, I can tell her to quit using the horse for lessons. I know that is my right. I was just asking if anybody had a solution that would not cause too big of a problem as I like her as an instructer. Perhaps I used the wrong word, Trainer. As stated, I am VERY new to the horse world. Forgive my incorrectness and I will forgive your demeaning post.
     
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    04-02-2012, 12:16 PM
  #12
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Originally Posted by crimsonsky    
imo, bottom line is this. The horse belongs to you = you have final say in how he is used and by whom. If YOU want the horse to be used in lessons, have it agreed to in writing and specify exactly how that's going to go (how many days/hours/rides/whathaveyou, what he can and cannot do, who is responsible for tack/safety/etc.). If it's in writing you shouldn't have any further issues... if the trainer won't agree to that, the easiest way to not have problems is to say "i'm sorry but without something agreed to in black and white, I do not feel comfortable with the legalities of anyone else using my horse".
Thank you for your feedback. I believe, after reading a few posts, that this is exactly what I need to do. She's a little hot-headed, so it probably will go over like a lead rock, but I have to protect my interests, as well.
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    04-02-2012, 12:17 PM
  #13
Green Broke
Just tell her to stop using your horse - I am just not understanding why this is so complicated.
     
    04-02-2012, 12:18 PM
  #14
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Originally Posted by themacpack    
Typically, board is reduced in return for the use of horse as a lesson horse - are you paying the full asking price of full-care board? If not, that is your compensation for the use of the horse -- if so, you need simply request that your horse not be used for lessons or that you be given fair consideration (the lower board fees) to compensate for the use of the horse.
Thank you- I had heard of this as well, but couldn't find it in writing anywhere, which is why I started this post to begin with. First barn, first horse, i'm sure not the last headache, lol. I am paying full price for full board, same as everybody else.
     
    04-02-2012, 12:20 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by themacpack    
Just tell her to stop using your horse - I am just not understanding why this is so complicated.
Thanks for the warm welcome and understanding.
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    04-02-2012, 12:21 PM
  #16
Started
Good luck and let us know how it goes!
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    04-02-2012, 12:22 PM
  #17
Weanling
Just wanted to say that I can be a hot headed person as well. If you came to me and said that I could only use the horse on certain days and you wanted it in writing, I might be angry (who wants to lose a free lesson horse?), but I would also know you were right. I would give her the contract you have worked out, explain your position, say you don't have time to talk right now, but you'll be back tomorrow to go over details and make any changes that might be necessary, and evacuate, immediately. That approach will give her time to get ticked off without ruining your relationship, and hopefully she'll be able to approach the situation rationally... Of course, you might look like a bit of a chicken, but better a chicken who doesn't have to change barns, and who is still friends with her trainer than the alternative...
Kathy
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    04-02-2012, 12:25 PM
  #18
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Originally Posted by calicokatt    
Just wanted to say that I can be a hot headed person as well. If you came to me and said that I could only use the horse on certain days and you wanted it in writing, I might be angry (who wants to lose a free lesson horse?), but I would also know you were right. I would give her the contract you have worked out, explain your position, say you don't have time to talk right now, but you'll be back tomorrow to go over details and make any changes that might be necessary, and evacuate, immediately. That approach will give her time to get ticked off without ruining your relationship, and hopefully she'll be able to approach the situation rationally... Of course, you might look like a bit of a chicken, but better a chicken who doesn't have to change barns, and who is still friends with her trainer than the alternative...
Kathy
Thanks, Kathy, that made me feel better. I just don't want a mess. I am good about doing things by email, lol.
     
    04-02-2012, 12:28 PM
  #19
Trained
If you want your horse used some in lessons (good exercise for him) then write up an agreement that shows what you are willing to do. For instance, "Trainer XXXX may use Old Blue on MWF for the 10 AM & 2 PM lessons. He is not available on TTh nor Sat, Sun. In exchange for his use as a lesson horse, board and lessons shall be reduced to, $XXXX. Effective, immediately and subject to revocation without notice, by the owner, XXXXXXXXXX.".

If she doesn't accept that, then I would remove him from the lesson program entirely and start looking for a new barn and new instructor, simply because a/ I wouldn't trust her to honor the no use policy if I wasn't looking and b/ I think it's going to get uncomfortable there if you pull him.

Good luck, I think she took advantage of your inexperience. Good trainer or no, you've just learned your first lesson in sharp dealings by horse folks. Sorry.

***ETA**** I just read where you like doing things by e-mail. That would be an excellent idea in this case, if you can. Just send her the e-mail and see how she jumps, that way you don't have to deal with a blow up face to face. I would NOT allow any revision to the schedule you lay out, it sounds like you need to take back control of your horse.
     
    04-02-2012, 12:38 PM
  #20
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
If you want your horse used some in lessons (good exercise for him) then write up an agreement that shows what you are willing to do. For instance, "Trainer XXXX may use Old Blue on MWF for the 10 AM & 2 PM lessons. He is not available on TTh nor Sat, Sun. In exchange for his use as a lesson horse, board and lessons shall be reduced to, $XXXX. Effective, immediately and subject to revocation without notice, by the owner, XXXXXXXXXX.".

If she doesn't accept that, then I would remove him from the lesson program entirely and start looking for a new barn and new instructor, simply because a/ I wouldn't trust her to honor the no use policy if I wasn't looking and b/ I think it's going to get uncomfortable there if you pull him.

Good luck, I think she took advantage of your inexperience. Good trainer or no, you've just learned your first lesson in sharp dealings by horse folks. Sorry.

***ETA**** I just read where you like doing things by e-mail. That would be an excellent idea in this case, if you can. Just send her the e-mail and see how she jumps, that way you don't have to deal with a blow up face to face. I would NOT allow any revision to the schedule you lay out, it sounds like you need to take back control of your horse.
Thank you for your opinion, it's really appreciated. I believe I am going to ask to see her schedule of when she plans on using my baby boy and then draw up a contract based on that. I feel bad having to do it, but I think you're right- that she is taking advantage of me and I don't like that feeling.
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