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  • Can i receive full board for my horse in exchange for trainer using horse for lessons
  • My trainers using my horse without my permission

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    04-02-2012, 01:08 PM
  #21
Green Broke
I just don't get why this is an Issue, have some backbone, sorry I am not trying to be mean, but good night irene, It is your horse, stop being a doormat,
     
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    04-02-2012, 01:17 PM
  #22
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by djhmanderson    
No, we have no contract in writing concerning her using Horse for lessons. The only contract I have with her is for the full-board. I am so new to the horse world that I don't know what is standard or not. Is it customary to pay someone $$ or lessons for use of your horse? I know if I were to ask that she just wouldn't use him. If it is a practice then how much is fair compensation? Thanks for your help.
There is no customary practice in the horse world. Everything is a case by case basis.

I use boarders horses as lesson horses. They are not compensated by a board reduction or paid. They don't have to pay ME to groom or work the horse.
     
    04-02-2012, 01:17 PM
  #23
Foal
Everyone who has posted has said about the same thing and I agree with them. You should definitely have control over when and if your horse is used and should receive compensation for it (I would say in the form of lower board). She really has absolutely no right to get angry about it, losing a free lesson horse or not. She lost that right the day that owners changed for the horse. It's her responsibility as a business owner to make arrangements to cover the loss of a lesson horse by either getting another horse, using another horse already there, or working out a detailed and mutually beneficial arrangement with you. It's extremely unprofessional the way SHE has gone about things. I'm thinking this sort of attitude is common with a lot of instructors, as mine has much the same view on things. I've had many issues at my barn with her using my horses without my permission for lessons, camps, and trail rides (I either come out to the barn at a time she's not expecting me and catch her or another boarder happens to mention something like "Oh, I saw Ruby out on a trail today", not realizing that wasn't supposed to be.). It's also commonly known in the barn that if she does use your horse, you're supposed to have money taken off board, but never once have I ever gotten that benefit. It's another sticky situation here, because this is the only barn and only instructor I've ever had (been here 11 years now) and she's somewhat a friend of the family. She constantly uses any horse in the barn she wants for lessons freely, even though she has over 10 horses of her own. Very frustrating, but it's hard at times to prove she's doing it and also I'm not really in a great financial situation at the moment so I don't want to say anything to her AGAIN and cause a rift when I can't really afford to switch barns right now. As soon as my situation improves though I'm giving her a detailed list of all things allowed and not allowed, along with some complaints, and if it causes me to have to switch barns then so be it. It's worth it to get rid of all of the stress. Constantly building up little resentments is good for no one, including the horses.
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    04-02-2012, 01:33 PM
  #24
Foal
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Originally Posted by SugarNSpice    
Everyone who has posted has said about the same thing and I agree with them. You should definitely have control over when and if your horse is used and should receive compensation for it (I would say in the form of lower board). She really has absolutely no right to get angry about it, losing a free lesson horse or not. She lost that right the day that owners changed for the horse. It's her responsibility as a business owner to make arrangements to cover the loss of a lesson horse by either getting another horse, using another horse already there, or working out a detailed and mutually beneficial arrangement with you. It's extremely unprofessional the way SHE has gone about things. I'm thinking this sort of attitude is common with a lot of instructors, as mine has much the same view on things. I've had many issues at my barn with her using my horses without my permission for lessons, camps, and trail rides (I either come out to the barn at a time she's not expecting me and catch her or another boarder happens to mention something like "Oh, I saw Ruby out on a trail today", not realizing that wasn't supposed to be.). It's also commonly known in the barn that if she does use your horse, you're supposed to have money taken off board, but never once have I ever gotten that benefit. It's another sticky situation here, because this is the only barn and only instructor I've ever had (been here 11 years now) and she's somewhat a friend of the family. She constantly uses any horse in the barn she wants for lessons freely, even though she has over 10 horses of her own. Very frustrating, but it's hard at times to prove she's doing it and also I'm not really in a great financial situation at the moment so I don't want to say anything to her AGAIN and cause a rift when I can't really afford to switch barns right now. As soon as my situation improves though I'm giving her a detailed list of all things allowed and not allowed, along with some complaints, and if it causes me to have to switch barns then so be it. It's worth it to get rid of all of the stress. Constantly building up little resentments is good for no one, including the horses.
It's a sucky situation to be in. Don't want to step on toes but don't want yours stepped on either. I get it. Thanks for sharing!!
     
    04-02-2012, 01:35 PM
  #25
Foal
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Originally Posted by mls    
There is no customary practice in the horse world. Everything is a case by case basis.

I use boarders horses as lesson horses. They are not compensated by a board reduction or paid. They don't have to pay ME to groom or work the horse.
Thanks for sharing. I appreciate your input.
     
    04-02-2012, 02:07 PM
  #26
Weanling
(I didn't read the replies)

I was in a situation almost exactly as yours. It was terrible and no one was happy. The only thing I was able to do was move to another barn. Everything gets MUCH better when you no longer have a leech on your horse. Moving was the worst part, as my barn owner was VERY angry she was loosing a lesson horse.
     
    04-02-2012, 05:55 PM
  #27
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by djhmanderson    
Thank you for your opinion, it's really appreciated. I believe I am going to ask to see her schedule of when she plans on using my baby boy and then draw up a contract based on that. I feel bad having to do it, but I think you're right- that she is taking advantage of me and I don't like that feeling.
Good thing you stuck to your guns and not signed the 1st contract. Sounds like you will figure this out also.

If your are a regular rider then I would just use the horse for myself and not let it be used for lessons. If you are not out enough and the horse needs more work then it is benificial for you also but I wouldn't want it used as the 1st string and be tired and worn out or not available when you need it as you should have 1st option since you are not getting compensated. I thought you were going to say you at least got lessons at a discount. Sounds like your trainer is all one sided. She doesn't want you to move or she will lose lessons and a boarder so the balls in your court.
     
    04-02-2012, 05:57 PM
  #28
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
I just don't get why this is an Issue, have some backbone, sorry I am not trying to be mean, but good night irene, It is your horse, stop being a doormat,
I didn't think she was being a doormat but just getting some opinions on what is standard. If she was a doormat she would have signed the 1st contract giving the trainer full control.
     
    04-02-2012, 07:56 PM
  #29
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by mls    
There is no customary practice in the horse world. Everything is a case by case basis.

I use boarders horses as lesson horses. They are not compensated by a board reduction or paid. They don't have to pay ME to groom or work the horse.
Being used as a lesson horse is NOT having an experienced rider riding the horse. Totally different. THe lesson kids groom this horse and ride it-I would bet on it. IT is certainly NOT the trainer.

OP-it is some advantage to have your horse consistently worked. However, because if this arrangement, you really have no idea how much he is being worked. As his owner, you should know that. I would also say, that you should , at the very least, have a chat with this "trainer" and let her know that you and you r daughter are both using this horse. You do NOT want him over used. Therefore, you will need her current schedule, and she will need to understand that there will be times when your horse may not be as available for her-since the horse deserves a day off, and you and daughter both ride......

I also agree that she has taken advantage of you. Prior to you taking over this horse, it sounds like the old owners were not paying. She was using the horse IN EXCHANGE. Then you came into the picture-now, the "trainer" in totally winning. SHe gets paid board AND gets a lesson horse. That is just NOT fair. She should give you SOME compensation, IMO. Otherwise, I would limit her use, severely, and, as has been said-be ready to move. Disappointed as you may feel, you think she is your friend, but true friends do NOT do this to each other. JMHO. She is using you. THAT would piss me off.
     
    04-03-2012, 01:13 PM
  #30
Yearling
Just wondering if the trainers insurance would cover her horse? I know that my family member went through a problem when board was exchanged for the horse's use in a lesson program. A little girl got slammed into a kick wall and broke her arm, and guess who got the back lash, not the trainer. This horse was also a babysitter horse, but another horse bolted through the arena scaring him, so he jumped into the wall. I would worry about the liability, of not having a contract and insurance.

Also when they removed the horse, the owner of the barn threatened to sue for the cost of all the board they didn't pay, but they went back and figured out how much money the horse had made for them at $40 a lesson 5 times a week for two years, the owner really made over $10 000 on that horse.
     

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