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post #1 of 44 Old 05-10-2012, 04:53 PM Thread Starter
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trash in whats left of the jewel of plantation.

I know this barn with a bunch of girls who really need to pick up a different hobby.
This barn used to be top notch. The healthiest horses and most esteemed trainers, winning riders and a facility to die for. I used to drool over their set up and pastures. The woman who owned the place died not to long ago and left it in the care of a young girl who promised she was capable. She's a single parent, using the now decrepit barn for income, and making terrible choices in boarders (not to mention the fact that the place is 300,000 dollars deep in debts)

At what point do you stand up and say something? Her boarders are all under the age of twenty, and use the property as their private party spot, drinking and raising hell and even breaking into the abandoned house on property to set up their "love shack". blow up mattress and candles, the works, I kid you not. Some of the horses are skinny, some are violently treated. none of them know a kind word from a hard slap on the rump. They use them for barrels but I've never seen one warm up, or do flat work or even trail ride. These horses are so pent up they lash out like tied dogs. I've spoken with the man who plans on buying the property, and he's at a loss. He wants to see it become a show barn again. My thoughts, if he's purchasing the property by paying what's owed, he gets the option of putting out a 24 hour warning. Get your stuff off the property or he owns it. I think this is fair.

The question here is, is it worth the attempt to get these kids to straighten up and get in line? Or would it be better to kick them out and start fresh? As this guys hand into the show barn world he wants my opinion, and it counts. But I feel bad sending these horses away without at least trying. Help?
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post #2 of 44 Old 05-10-2012, 04:59 PM
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I'd kick them out and start fresh. They give the barn a bad reputation. I wouldn't put up with it. I'm 23 and I know better then to act like a dumb a** around my horses. I put their welfare first.
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post #3 of 44 Old 05-10-2012, 05:09 PM
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What authority do you possess in this matter?

Unless you personally own the property or have been hired to care for it, you cannot boot people out even if you don't personally agree with what they are using the property for. I own my property... if I want to fill it full of crazy horses and young, partying boarders, guess what? I CAN and there's not a thing you can do about it unless laws are broken and then all you can do is notify the property authorities.

The individual purchasing the property... if he buys it, it's his to do what HE sees fit with the place and should obtain legal advice as to if he can legally give the boarders 24hour notice. What YOU think is fair may not be legal, especially if there are contracts in place.
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He's buying it, I work for him. BM, and hunter/jumper trainer for him once its running again. The only authority I have is to manage what he decides to do. He's asked my opinion on our options and these are the two he wants to pick between. Leniency and giving them a chance, and wiping the slate clean. The question was on the opinions of what to do with the boarders once papers are signed. Paying it off instead of buying it outright gives him the option of legally giving them only twenty four hours as per the state of fl. He's the one that did the research. Also none of these boarders have anything signed,no contracts or anything and only one has coggins's for her horses, so if he really wanted to buckle down legally, he's got loads of wiggle room. Do you think they deserve a chance or no?
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i wouldn't kick them all out right away as you are going to want immediate income enless you have people lined up to board there or train there.

with that said if you do keep any of the current boarders i would make it very clear what the rules were and the standards at which must be kept when on the property.

when trouble starts or is slightly noticed start giving warnings to the most troubled boarders and kick them out first. once you have them out things usually start to settle with the others.

and if you allow the current boarders to stay i would make it mandatory to have all horses seen by a vet within 48 hours and be caught up with all shots and bloodwork to make sure all horses are healthy and can regain whatever nutrition was lost while also makingit safe to bring new horses onto the property.

but again i would make it **** clear what the rules are and have everyone sign a contract with 24hours of buying the property. and within the first week kick out whoever you feel won't fit into the atmosphere you want to create.
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I agree with the last poster. I would offer up a contract to all the current boarders. Make sure that it spells out that all horses will be up to date with all vet/medical/hoof care within X number of days - proof required. I would say seven days as some times even reasonable people can't get things done if not given enough time.

I would also state minimum care standards for all horses.

That there will be extra fees for anything left untidy. What areas of the property are open to the public and what areas are not.

Anyone not immediately complying with these new standards has 24 hours to remove thier horse, under supervision (so they don't steal anything), from the property.

My guess is that you will lose about half of the boarders in the first two weeks. The ones you have left will be the ones who actually WANT to do things right, but didn't have the ability under the old system.
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I would start by boarding up the loveshack!
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I agree, you will want immediate income, and you will also want to give them their chance so that they can't come back and say you didn't give them a chance to follow your rules.

I'd place individual phone calls explaining the new rules coming up and the consequences ASAP. I wouldn't spring it on them suddenly. I wouldn't give them the chance to point the finger at me, saying I was unfair or judged too quickly.

With that being said, if these horses are acting dangerous and getting back on a regular, healthy turnout schedule doesn't help their aggression, I'd make this a condition of their staying or leaving too. If they aren't safe (within reason) to handle for their normal routine, they wouldn't be able to stay. Your stable hands would appreciate that.

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For right now its just me and my niece handling boarders horses. One girl has this horse she calls "flipper". We found out the hard way why. My niece was taking him out to the pasture and this horse begin to pop up on her. She gave him a firm tug on the lead rope to get him back to focusing on her, and this horse reared all the way up and threw himself over. I called his owner and she explained that this is his way of saying no. That he does it when he doesn't want to run or leave the barn as well. She found it amusing. My thirteen year old niece and I did not. (My booger niece is very experienced in this business for her age, and I trust her to handle all but the most troubled of horses with patience and a soft hand, and be capable of handling herself in a difficult situation)

I have a meeting with the new owner today where he'll decide what we're going to do. I think I'm going to suggest writing up contracts with the new rules and requirements including an up to date coggins. Any boarder under 18 needs a parent or guardians signature as well. And that we give them a week to either comply or evacuate. The shack was boarded up the day we found it. I knew the woman who used to own the house and she would have LOST IT had she been alive to see what they did to her living room.
Knowing her, and what the place was is I think what makes me so angry at these kids. A good woman put a lot of hard work into a place they treat like a slum. Its infuriating.
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I think you have a great attitude on this. I would not allow much slack at all for anyone. And you are quite correct, get the parents involved. I think that "Flipper" and any others that are that badly behaved, just need to be sent on thier way with the 24 hour notice.

I would state that no dangerous horses are allowed.

I bought a horse once that woudl do that - it took me, the stable manager, and a lunge whip about four hours to completely break her of that little habit!

I would set the standards high, and demand that it be met by everyone. In a year or two when you have respectful clinetel, you can make exceptions for someone who needs and is seeking help etc, but I woudl really crack down hard for at least a full year.
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