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post #11 of 52 Old 08-07-2013, 10:34 AM
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I have only ever gone into another owner's stall for something other than an emergency and that was to put the horse's blanket back on when the owner refused to do it as "that was the barn staff's responsibility." Given that temps were getting down below 0 that night and the horse had a very thin coat, I made the decision to put the blanket back on (I did report that I did so to the barn manager however).

It takes a lot of brass buttons for anyone to go into a horse's stall and start working a massage or even more, what is the word, chutzpah, for someone to call in a chiropractor. On top of that, I wold be curious to know what story she told the chiropractor in order to get them to work on a horse she didn't own...that could be cause for them losing their license to do work on a horse that wasn't the property, or responsibility, of the person requesting the service..the other question..was the chiropractor actually licensed?

No, I would say you are not over reacting and agree with others that I wouldn't have been so, tolerant (for lack of a better term) of this person. She would have known even before I went to the manager how I felt about her interference.

The barn owner/manager needs to seriously consider asking this woman to leave...has there been any evidence she has been doing this with other horses? You could have a harassment claim as well to use as more leverage to get her to leave you and your horses alone.

Natural horsemanship has its place but with anything people can become so fanatical they lose all touch with common that point the practice (any practice where people can become fanatics) becomes dangerous.
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post #12 of 52 Old 08-07-2013, 12:34 PM
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That's... insane.

I give my trainer permission to use my horse in lessons with adv. beginners and up because I don't live in the area (in the process of moving). But if someone got my horse without my permission and started doing Natural Horsemanship stuff with him (which is not my cup of tea) I would be absolutely furious. She has no right to touch your horses, let alone help herself to them.

Your BO needs to seriously consider having this woman kicked out... It is a huge liability (for everyone involved!) to have her messing with horses that don't belong to her.
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post #13 of 52 Old 08-07-2013, 12:59 PM
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What in the world?! That woman needs to be turfed out and if your BO didn't do that when she took your horse to work him, never mind calling a chiro for it, then you need to leave that place! That's insane! Just for my own curiosity, does this crazy dame interfere with other boarders' horses as well?
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post #14 of 52 Old 08-07-2013, 01:50 PM
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If that woman had lived to touch my horse a SECOND time .... she'd know in no uncertain terms that she is not to touch my horse or talk to my kid.

I'm afraid I'd be charged with assault....
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post #15 of 52 Old 08-07-2013, 02:02 PM
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If I had showed up to a barn and my horse was being worked by someone I didn't give permission to I would have screamed at her and applied "pressure" to her with her own carrot stick!!
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post #16 of 52 Old 08-07-2013, 02:32 PM
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oh jeez, well I can tell you that woman would have gotten an earful from me, a very loud, furious one and I rarely yell at people I don't know. If sanyone at my barn worked a horse without the owners permission they'd be out before they could blink, the owner would have lost it and everyone else would have backed them up.
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post #17 of 52 Old 08-07-2013, 04:34 PM Thread Starter
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I'm glad that I'm not overreacting! The BO keeps her around because recently a someone dumped 5 horses on the property (literally, one morning I came out and there were 5 extra horses). Unfortunately the barn also needs to be repaired and she does bring in money big time with all of her supplements, handling fees, training, etc. (sounds horrible to say it that way). There really aren't any more good payers like the lady. :P As to the chiropractor issue, I'm pretty sure it was a no questions asked. Where we live there aren't a lot of horse people who use that sort of doctor, and I'm pretty sure he'd want the money before he'd ask questions at least that's the opinion I got from the few times I met him when he worked on her horses.

We all tried being nice at first (she is a bit eccentric and was only ever at a NH barn and a posh show barn and at first we just thought that she had trouble making friends, adjusting to our farmer mentality, etc because of that) but it got to the point where the BO told her to mind her own **** business, leave others alone or get the boot. I got a text after this episode and my boss said if she was doing something to our horses again to shove a whip up someplace unpleasant and then tell her and she'd make sure the lady left same day.

The thing that really gets me is her cocky attitude, I've had a couple of thoughts to put her on my mare who doesn't like leg and see how long she lasts!

In all fairness to my BO she did ask if we wanted the lady kicked out because of these issues (the same day they happened), but I guess I'm too nice in some respects to my boss so I told her to keep her around so she can repair her barn quicker. My boss and I did have a 'conversation' with the woman about touching my horses, treating people as inferiors and think she got the message this time.

Aside from her own horses she interacts with some training horses (doesn't try anything with them) so I think we're the only ones that she feels.... I dunno, obligated to work. I honestly believe that she fixates on ours because the skittish horse is a rescue and she thinks that we have only compounded on the problem, and our mare because the horse is very tolerant. She is terrified to death of horses although she won't admit it so I think our two are the only ones that don't scare her (hers do).

I don't think the chiropractor got to do anything to her because we heard from a barn that uses him and apparently he came in with a huge mark on him..... I think and hope my mare might have had a little to do with that.....

Honestly though, if I had another barn that was as good as this one I would probably consider moving. But here I know that my mare is given everything she wants, our geldings taken care of by the woman who retrained him (the BO) and is outside 24/7 like he wants to be. I've already told the BO though that if she decides to set a toe outta line with my again my patience is GONE I will make sure she knows her place. I can tolerate a lot but she's broken that final string.

PS: I'm not a fan of natural horsemanship, but I don't want to ever come across as bashing it! I respect others training methods... I just don't like fanatics who give methods a bad name.
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post #18 of 52 Old 08-07-2013, 07:34 PM
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Girl, you have every right to vent!! And, I would videotape her butt everytime you see her near your horse or if she ever touches your horse. I would file a complaint with any associations that your barn owner is affiliated with, such as BBB, AQHA, etc. Let this woman know that you mean business. How would she like a taste of her own medicine....I would be standing at the fence or stall making notes on how her horses react to her. It wouldn't surprise me if they had issues with her as well!

I learned along time ago that sometimes you learn to fight fire with a bigger fire. Do your homework on this lady and see if she has had any complaints at other barns. Put a camera somewhere and record her. You have every right to protect your horses and if she doesn't listen, then she should pay for any damage she may cause to your horses' health and well being.
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post #19 of 52 Old 08-07-2013, 07:57 PM
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I have to say, I'd probably have ripped my horse away from her, hopped on, and promptly chased her with intent to trample her.

It is NOT okay to touch someone else's horse without permission. Mayyybe a scratch on the neck or something out in the field (everyone knows I love on my old lease horses when I'm out), but to "train" someone else's horse without permission, I don't think so.

We're real good with sharing at the barn I'm at because we're all a big family pretty much, been together with horses for a good 6-7 years. Just recently one of the lease kids bought the BO a girth extender and something else in exchange for using her old english saddle to teach the other leasor how to ride english a bit because that's what she'll be riding on her equestrian team next year.

But the fact still stands, if there is not explicit authorization given, it doesn't get touched or messed with regardless of it being tack, brushes, fly spray, etc. And a horse is at the very top of that list.

I know you aren't like me, OP, but you really do need to say something to her..specifically something rude..when she tella you to do something for her like her groom. I've had people act like that to me at MM before I left and came home, and you can bet I told them where to shove it, accompanied by a threat to do so. If I'm not getting paid and I'm TOLD, it doesn't happen. I do favours for people all the time, but those people have never tried to tell me to do something, they either asked politely or accepted my offer to help.

I'd be devastated to leave the barn I'm at now, but if it came to the wellbeing of my horse (especially a boarder that BO wouldn't kick out), I'd be gone in a heartbeat, even if that meant a late phone bill and no food for that week/month.
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post #20 of 52 Old 08-07-2013, 08:22 PM
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Wow....she would be missing some teeth the first time she touched my horse. The second time, I would most likely be in jail.
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