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post #11 of 56 Old 07-23-2013, 08:27 PM
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DA-they do not have internet on their phones, and some do not have it even in their homes. That is what the OP said. So, if Mattie wants folks to feed/not feed, do chores, etc. around her schedule she may have to make the effort to write it down. It is not yet her barn.

OP-your Bo needs to set some guidelines. They can be minimal, but to "best serve the clients" (that is how I would "sell it" to the BO and Mattie) it needs to be easily accessible-at a glance.

I will say, however, that I boarded briefly at a stuck up dressage barn. I am not saying anything against dressage folks, but this was a dressage barn and the folks were "above" everything-or so they thought)....and even with a board-people would get off their horses and add an hour to their ride time.....when I had come out to ride based on the schedule I had checked the day before. So guess what-I got on and rode anyway......pretty entertaining to feel their eyes going thru me as I rode my "cow pony" as the BO referred to him. (she loved him....lol) THe one guy actually told me he had trained with "anke...." and he actually had his nose in the air as he said it!

Anyway-these types, at least any I have ever experienced, will never groom their horses in the stall. They would not even consider it. THeir horses will not ground tie, and honestly-cross ties is al they know and can deal with......so many of their horses are just like described above. Rider cannot deal with horse, and only rides for lesson.

Again-I have nothing against dressage, but it does seem to me that there are more folks with this "entitled" attitude in that particular discipline than others I have been around. JMHO
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I didn't wade through all of the comments but boarder or not it is simply common courtesy/barn etiquette whatever you want to call it to move your horse out of the way for a minute or two so someone else can get by. Mu horse was in a stall right behind a set of cross ties and we were always getting boxed in by students and other boarders..no one had an issue with allowing us to get out by moving their horse to the side. The issue isn't the boarding but the manners. or lack thereof, of the horse owner and the barn manager's unwillingness to enforce some very basic courtesies. Snobby or not has nothing to do with it..we are talking simple courtesy and manners here. I don't care if its the lowest beginner or an olympic caliber rider/trainer. People don't have to be chatty or necessarily friendly but basic barn etiquette needs to be enforced.
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I will say, however, that I boarded briefly at a stuck up dressage barn. I am not saying anything against dressage folks, but this was a dressage barn and the folks were "above" everything-or so they thought)....and even with a board-people would get off their horses and add an hour to their ride time.....when I had come out to ride based on the schedule I had checked the day before. So guess what-I got on and rode anyway......pretty entertaining to feel their eyes going thru me as I rode my "cow pony" as the BO referred to him. (she loved him....lol) THe one guy actually told me he had trained with "anke...." and he actually had his nose in the air as he said it!

Anyway-these types, at least any I have ever experienced, will never groom their horses in the stall. They would not even consider it. THeir horses will not ground tie, and honestly-cross ties is al they know and can deal with......so many of their horses are just like described above. Rider cannot deal with horse, and only rides for lesson.

Again-I have nothing against dressage, but it does seem to me that there are more folks with this "entitled" attitude in that particular discipline than others I have been around. JMHO
I have had the same experience and I aspire to be one of those upper level dressage riders but to me people are people. I don't treat them any way but with courtesy..may not be able to stand them and groan when I see them coming but they would never know it. I get out of the way if I have to, help people, especially the kids with horses if they need it (even if they ARE rude and can't even say thank you for the help), I clean up after my horse, coil the hose in the wash rack (major pet peeve of mine for people to leave the hose uncoiled) and in most cases I prefer to tack up in the stall so that I DON'T have to move every ten minutes :)

As for a western rider, just don't mess with my dressage letters :)...I get lost.

I happen to be at a very good barn. It isn't super fancy but we have people form early beginners, and I mean 5 yr olds, to older retired folks, some wealthy some no so much but for 95% of us, we talk or at least put with each other..no one has such an attitude that they act like someone else with a less fancy horse is below them. Sure, I could go to a fancier barn with better looking stalls but to me the atmosphere is important. I am not going to take fancy if I am going to be absolutely miserable due to the, ahem "people" that board there as well.

One barn I rode at in a different state wouldn't even accept boarders if they horse they were bringing in wasn't worth at least 30K. I only had a few more months at the place when I found out (was in the process of a military transfer) or otherwise I'd have left. That to me is just ridiculous.

As for Anke..she uses a method called rolkur which is becoming considered as an abusive training method for dressage horses but is a very common practice in Germany..it is starting to be more and more frowned on in the dressage world.
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Tlkng-you and I live close. I used to live in MD....and the neighboring state I now live in (in winter) is FAR worse or "snob factor". I still keep my horse in MD from time to time.....certainly closer than anywhere in VA that would even think of anyone riding western within miles of them. Plus I have some really good riding friends who are BO's in MD. In many disciplines. THey will always take in a "token cowgirl". lol

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Tlkng-you and I live close. I used to live in MD....and the neighboring state I now live in (in winter) is FAR worse or "snob factor". I still keep my horse in MD from time to time.....certainly closer than anywhere in VA that would even think of anyone riding western within miles of them. Plus I have some really good riding friends who are BO's in MD. In many disciplines. THey will always take in a "token cowgirl". lol
In our barn if it has four legs it is welcome...dogs, cats, horses.....:) Oh, we generally like the owners too.....we do draw the line at lions, tigers, bears.....they tend to eat the kids...er..hmmm....no..won't say it.....
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I think your BO is at fault. It's up to her to enforce the rules and coordinate things.
You put up schedules, you make it known that if the schedule changes you have to be notified, then you notify everyone else.
Yes she has a difficult boarder who brings in a lot of money, so some concessions can be made, but you don't inconvenience everyone else at their expense.
Just the fact that your BO brought up eviction would make me move. Even if she wasn't serious, you just don't say that to a client and she obviously doesn't see you as one.
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I guess I can see both sides of the story.

Yours... You are a border and deserve the SAME treatment as every other boarder regardless of how you "pay". Barns are a working place, there are chores to be done because other pay for them to get done. I bet "amanda" wouldn't like it if her horse was late on feed or had to forgo 3 hours of turnout. Everyone needs to respect everyone else and treat people the way they want they want to be treated!

On her side is it possible you maybe slipped her a little attitude? Even if its not directed at her its possible she could have seen it that way. Coupled with the fact that she is scared of her horse... Probably makes for a reactive mix.

I think the BO should also give her a "talking to" about etiquette at the barn. It's not your fault her horse is a brat. You have just as much right to take your horse in and out as she does.
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I've been at reining barns that are way worse than any dressage barn... The place I'm at now is the most high end barn in the area and the people are very down to earth.

And the quip about Anky and rollkur - it has not actually been proven that rollkur is detrimental to the horse and the biomechanics studies I've seen actually prove the opposite. As well the original proponent of rollkur is French classical dressage master - Baucher.
But great job for reiterating hearsay - lucky Anky doesn't have lawyers out looking for those defaming her....
And just to add, I find it's usually the low level people in any sport who are very diva. At any high end barn, that behavior is not accepted or tolerated.

Anyways. About your situation - it's not your place. If you no longer feel comfortable doing chores then tell the BO that. If you then can't afford board, find a new place to go. Otherwise, oh well. If you really want, you can let the BO know when people are rude to you or whatever, but really you have no authority to be making decisions or changes about someone else's barn. Same way the trainer may come off as wanting to control, you may come off that way to her.

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I've seen this kind of thing before when a trainer enters a boarding barn situation. Unfortunately MONEY TALKS and if this trainer is giving lessons, then she maintaining a grip on boarders for the BO. It's a cycle, BO needs you and the trainer, trainer needs BO, boarders need the trainer......you all need to learn to get along. Big girl panty time for all of you.
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Anebel...not that this is the place to go in to it but I was not defaming Anky. She does use the method; it IS common in Germany and it IS losing favor in dressage circles....where is the defamation?

The practice has been banned by the FEI...

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