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post #41 of 56 Old 07-26-2013, 12:40 AM
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I think everyone should remember the subject of this thread. I don't even know how the subject of Rollkur came up (and I don't care to know) but the question of this thread is what the OP should do with her boarding situation.

If you want to discuss Rollkur, start your own thread and I'm sure forum members would be more than happy to input their opinion there.
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post #42 of 56 Old 07-26-2013, 12:47 AM
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I would prefer not to discuss rolkur, personally.
It was brought up in a menacing way and personally I don't agree with discipline bashing. Or in judging things you don't understand. And there are a few posters on this thread who seem to be quite anti dressage. If they want to spew their views elsewhere, they're welcome to
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post #43 of 56 Old 07-26-2013, 01:13 AM
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I would prefer not to discuss rolkur, personally.
It was brought up in a menacing way and personally I don't agree with discipline bashing. Or in judging things you don't understand. And there are a few posters on this thread who seem to be quite anti dressage. If they want to spew their views elsewhere, they're welcome to
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I wasn't targeting any specific person. I personally love dressage. I was speaking to everyone as a whole, I meant to clarify that in my original post.
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post #44 of 56 Old 07-26-2013, 01:54 AM
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People need to take a couple of these....



Let's save the rollkur debate to one of the countless threads on that already. This is a thread about a different issue.

As for discipline bashing. One does not argue about bashing dressage by bashing reining. A bash is a bash and it all should stop.
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post #45 of 56 Old 07-26-2013, 02:18 AM
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I board at a lesson barn that caters mostly to disabled people. Our board is the cheapest in the area because of the many lessons we have to ride around. Hopefully everyone else will have the maturity to either discuss this with you personally, or do what you did and forget about it and move on.
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post #46 of 56 Old 07-26-2013, 06:41 AM
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I'd start looking for alternative boarding options myself.

At every barn I have ever boarded at -- and it's been quite a lot in two different countries over the years, many of them dressage barns -- it is absolutely standard operating procedure that if your horse is tied or cross-tied in such a manner that it is blocking a passageway, you move it if someone else needs to bring another horse past. No barn owner/manager I know would give someone flack for asking the owner of a tied horse to move it out of the way. Nor would they expect anyone to hang out and wait for the owner of the cross-tied horse to finish grooming and tacking up. If the owner who was getting asked to move their horse got their panties in a wad over such a request (I have never known anyone to do this, mind you), I am sure various BOs I have had would regard it as that person's problem, not the problem of the owner who just wanted to take their horse out of its stall. I don't think I would want to board at a barn where such daft behaviour was enabled.

Also, the trainer slagging off your horse to her students...not impressive. On one hand, you love your horse and it shouldn't matter what some bellend says about her. On the other hand, it's thoroughly unprofessional behaviour and doesn't really contribute to a nice, friendly barn atmosphere.
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post #47 of 56 Old 07-29-2013, 01:37 PM Thread Starter
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I guess I should post the most recent event that happened yesterday.
Went to put out Amanda's horse in a small turnout yesterday morning. As I said before, I try to act big with him, so he usually behaves with me. Unfortunately the weather was cool, and the other horses were frisky, and galloping back and forth in a nearby pasture. I was trying to remove his halter when they ran by, and he started to prance. I put it back on to give him a "pay attention!" shake, but he could have cared less. Said 17 hand horse proceeded to push me into the electric fence, and nothing I could do stopped him, as he continued to prance, rear, buck, etc. I was like a fly on the wall to him. It went against my very nature to do it, but I just unsnapped the lead rope and let him go inside the (very small) turnout. He took off at a gallop. I did NOT want to get squashed by someone else's horse, or electrocuted by the fence (which is VERY hot).

Went to help get him in later that afternoon (because the woman that took the other horses in is scared to death of him). I let my boyfriend get Amanda's horse, as I had forgotten my boots. My boyfriend has experience with horses, and went in the turnout with the leadrope. Amanda's horse galloped towards him. I thought he'd pull a sliding stop, but nope! My boyfriend acted big, shook his hands and the leadrope in front of him, but that didn't accomplish anything. If my boyfriend hadn't jumped out of the way (and almost into the electric fence himself), he would have been charged over. The horse seemed to think it was great fun.

Needless to say, I too have finally given up handling this horse. I told the BO that I wasn't comfortable handling him anymore, even though I am. But honestly, why risk my safety with a poorly trained horse that isn't mine? If I get hurt, it's myself and my horses that will suffer. I figure this might be a wake-up call to Amanda that her horse needs a lot more ground training. The BO was a bit put-out that I refused to handle him, and said she'd "do it herself" and take a whip with her. I feel guilty letting this old woman try to handle him, but I honestly cannot afford to get hurt. I'm a graduate student on a very limited income (and have no time to get any first, let alone second, jobs!), with very limited insurance. I feel like this horse may actually seriously hurt someone if nothing is done to teach him some ground manners. It is completely the BO's call on this one, but I know I'm not the only one that wishes this horse would leave.

So really, I understand why Amanda would fear this horse, but she needs to DO something about it. As it is, she's been denying that he has any problem whatsoever. She actually came that afternoon (one of her rare visits) before we brought horses in. The BO told her what had happened that morning, and Amanda began to get angry and blame it on her horse's halter, that she stated was on too tight. In fact, it was set the same that it'd always been, which is a good fit (we just fasten the chin strap underneath the jaw, and leave the top alone). It just made me angry that she refused to see the danger of her horse's behavior, and instead tried to blame it on the equipment.
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Unfortunately I don't see the owner changing her mind until such a time as she manages to put the horse out or bring him in herself..even then she sounds like the type who will blame the barn saying they ruined him or did something to make him that way.

I know if a horse was dangerous I would have the owner remove him/her regardless of the loss in board. It isn't worth having yourself, or the staff, injured by a horse the owner refuses to see needs more and better training. If I couldn't handle the training myself (either as owner, barn manager etc), I'd darned well find someone who could. I would actually pass on a horse I liked if I felt it could be a danger to the other horses, barn staff or kids that run around our barn.
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To get back to the original topic, it's your barn owners property, so I vote for them.

You choose to pay them as a vendor, if you don't like how they run things then you move. Their property, their rules. Same with my house, and likely yours.

Not having somewhere else to move to, does not make it ok to try to change their rules.

It's simple to me, you work within BO's rules, or you move somewhere else or buy your own land.
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post #50 of 56 Old 07-30-2013, 02:53 PM Thread Starter
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To get back to the original topic, it's your barn owners property, so I vote for them.

You choose to pay them as a vendor, if you don't like how they run things then you move. Their property, their rules. Same with my house, and likely yours.

Not having somewhere else to move to, does not make it ok to try to change their rules.

It's simple to me, you work within BO's rules, or you move somewhere else or buy your own land.
Well, thankfully we do have our own farm, but it's too far away, so that is the last resort.

I guess I was looking more for advice on how to negotiate with the BO about the sudden rule switch. "Get over it" or "move" seems to be a popular answer, but not really what I'm looking for. And just to clarify, I'm not looking to "take over" the barn. I understand that it's the BO's barn, and I have no desire to run it, as it seems you're implying. I simply want to get along with everyone, without it taking 4 hours to do chores. I apologize if my posts made it seem that way, or if I appeared to be whining. I'm naturally a calm person that doesn't create drama, so I don't usually have to deal with dramatic people (i.e., I don't know how to handle these kinds of situations at times).

In conclusion, I can't wait to buy my own place someday! Boarding horses is more stressful than it should be.
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