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        07-27-2011, 10:38 AM

    I meant no harm. But people were asking questions so I was trying to point out the visual signs.

    You cannot say no one would have questioned it. I would have and I feel many others that I know that breed overo would have questioned it.

    That is in no way a slam to the original poster.

    If I had bought this mare I would want to actually see the test and confirm that it was negative.

    Any of mine that are tested have that test in their file. I even keep the ones that tested negative in their file. If I sell that horse all of their paperwork goes with them.

    If a seller sells a horse why would they not send on the color test papers? Makes no sense. Always ask!

    There are too many overo breeders out there that knowingly breed LW to LW because they think it is worth the 25 percent chance of a lethal foal. (which to me is crazy) So I would never trust a seller without the paperwork.

    Again this is not a slam but an fyi for people reading. If you buy a mare that looks LW positive (or just has a pedigree with LW carriers) and the seller says it is not---ask for the paperwork!

    Out of tragedy can come good things. So if this saves even one foal from being bred to two LW carriers then its worth it.
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        07-27-2011, 10:51 AM
    Sorry to hear of your loss Poco. We've lost one foal and one mare over the years and it was really tough. As breeders we all know the chance is there to lose one or the other but it doesn't make it any easier when it happens. Hope you find some comfort in the coming days, big hugs from the hoosier state coming your way!
        07-27-2011, 07:26 PM
    Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
    That is completely true. HOWEVER - Poco bought the mare and was told that she was already tested, and was negative LWO. I don't think many of us would have questioned it ourselves, and I don't think it is worth dwelling on in this case. The OP did not know that the mare was LWO positive. She didn't assume that the mare wasn't, she was TOLD that the mare was tested negative.
    That's terrible! I wonder if she could sue.

    ...and weefoal, healthy white foals are caused by the sabino gene. White that comes from frame is always lethal.
        07-27-2011, 08:21 PM
    Gently nudges ponyboy, Weefoal is very knowledgeable in this area, so that STUNNING boy in her avatar, she know a wee bit about the issues here.
        07-27-2011, 08:24 PM
    Originally Posted by ponyboy    
    ...and weefoal, healthy white foals are caused by the sabino gene.
    Or dominant white.
        07-27-2011, 08:29 PM
    Oh Poco, I am so very sorry. How heartbreaking.
        07-27-2011, 08:49 PM
    This REALLY breaks my heart Pooo. I know how excited I was for her arrival, so I can't even imagine the emotions you've gone through in the last couple days. I am so sorry for your loss. I'm glad she had a quiet passing and didn't suffer.
    As for your mare...I so wish I could buy her from you. She's so beautiful....
        07-27-2011, 09:06 PM
    Originally Posted by ponyboy    
    That's terrible! I wonder if she could sue.

    ...and weefoal, healthy white foals are caused by the sabino gene. White that comes from frame is always lethal.
    White that comes from frame IS NOT ALWAYS LETHAL obviously or we would not even be having this discussion. Statements like that make me crazy. Someone will read that and believe it.

    If frame was always lethal the OP wouldnt have this mare and I wouldnt own my stallion in my avatar that has been tested to be LW positive.

    Frame is only "lethal" when it is homozygous or 2 copies in one foal.

    I wasn't going to get into a color discussion what causes white foals. I will tell you a friend of mine has bred many white foals and many are 100 percent color producers. When color tested they tested positive for Tobiano, Sabino1 and Frame. There is no test yet for splash but we suspect they also carry splash due to coloring of the foals. She refers to them as maximum overo which is a pretty good description. She actually gelds many of the colts because she does not want to sell 100 percent color producers to her competition.

    Now having said that, some are like you said caused by Sabino1. But you cannot assume that is the only factor. Again you have to test to really know.

    Golden thanks so much for the nice comment on my stallion. He is such a joy to be owned by!
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        07-28-2011, 01:24 AM
    Originally Posted by weefoal    

    Golden thanks so much for the nice comment on my stallion. He is such a joy to be owned by!
    I've loved him from the first time you shared him, so worth that epic journey to go fetch him.
        07-28-2011, 02:20 AM
    Very sorry for your loss....Over the years I have seen lethal whites as well, so I can honestly say I know how it feels.

    But now she's frolicking through the fieldsof heaven like all foals should

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